Is this tantamount to gagging order?

I have always been unhappy with Johnson as PM for many reasons, too many, too obvious to list here, but I had hoped, that the blatant disregard for the covid rules which he set up, the sneering inference that the covid19 lockdown rules were only for 'little people' and that he and his buddies could do what they liked, when they liked, and with who they liked, I had hoped that it would act as a wake up call for those people who foisted this liar on to the rest of us. But, it seems that the same people who put him there are falling under the spell of Tory propaganda and MSM again, just like they did in 2016 and 2019. I despair.

I don't need a moral code to state that I have never broken any Covid rules. It's a fact, not a justification of my moral code - simple as that.

Mollygo

No I mean sinless. I have a moral code which allows me to disagree with what’s going on, but not to claim I’ve never done anything wrong. That’s why I asked if it was only in reference to Covid.

Who has ever claimed that they have done nothing wrong?

No I mean sinless. I have a moral code which allows me to disagree with what’s going on, but not to claim I’ve never done anything wrong. That’s why I asked if it was only in reference to Covid.

Mollygo

I’m fascinated by the sinless on here. Or is it only a sin if it was to do with Covid.

Who, on GN, has ever claimed to be "sinless"?

Mistake I didn’t mean to put “week” that should be omitted as I didn’t mean weak either.

'xts' ? 'Its'

Mollygo

I’m fascinated by the sinless on here. Or is it only a sin if it was to do with Covid.

I confess I'm more fascinated by the people who are happy to be taken for fools by this appalling government and i xts unspeakable 'leader'.

Deeply thankful that more people seem to have a well developed moral compass.

Mollygo

I’m fascinated by the sinless on here. Or is it only a sin if it was to do with Covid.

Do you mean sinless? Or those of us who have a moral code?

I’m fascinated by the sinless on here. Or is it only a sin if it was to do with Covid.

LuckyFour

I agree the parties at No 10 were a disgrace, but how many people out there (and on gransnet) can honestly say they did not break the rules even the slightest bit. Did you see your family of five when only four were allowed, did you meet friends during lockdown. Did you tell yourself 'well it was only one small gathering, one meeting, one family birthday party' etc. I can't stand the constant 'holier than thous'. The people who suffered most were those in nursing homes who couldn't see their family when they needed them most. But I think we should all look at ourselves before we start criticising others. I went to the funeral of a close family member and we went back to the house afterwards. There weren't too many of us actually but perhaps more than was allowed but we told ourselves it was ok. We make excuses for ourselves while find fault with others.

Speak for yourself, and if it helps you to forgive Johnson, go for it, but I did not break the rules, did not see my adult children who live in London and were in Tier 3. We have friends who live a few houses up the road from us and we zoom chatted with a drink, or stood, freezing on their front drive for a quick chat while walking the dog when it would have been more comfortable to sneak into each other's homes, but we didn't. I most certainly do find fault with Johnson, and get really fed up with apologists like you who make light of what he did. Would you work for someone who lied to you? Would you marry someone who is a serial adulterer? Would you go into business with someone who has been fired by at least two of his previous employers, whose own friends and family think him unfit for the job? If, as it should be, the answer is no to all of the above, then why the hell do you think we should put up with him as PM?

We were parking up the car yesterday and had this old guy chatting to us. We couldn’t escape him because we were trapped in the car and he started talking about the Downing Street parties and how everyone makes mistakes and Johnson had done an amazing job. We did tell him what we thought but he completely ignored us.

I am in despair. I am deeply ashamed of our government. The Tory Party should be as one and focussed on getting rid of this week confidence trickster who has so damaged the credibility of our Country. I have written to my safe seat MP and asked him to put in a letter of no confidence. I have no hope he will even acknowledge my email. He does little locally and just enjoys his comfy situation. Now my regard for Cressida Dick and theMet has been shaken to the core. The Government is rotten from the top downwards and now the Met appears to be complicit in their cover up and lack of responsibility. As for those of a different opinion it seems likely they have never delved into the freely available and widely reported character of our PM. Max Hastings, his old boss, said he couldn’t trust Johnson to tell him the day of the week! He also said, along with others, that he wasn’t fit for high office. Read Matthew Parrish in the Times who was once a Tory junior minister under Thatcher who writes with disgust about Johnson giving the kiss of a vampire to everyone he has been connected with. Today he calls for the yellow bellied Tories to do something about it. This is not about parties. It is about the removal of an immoral, self seeking , egotistical idiot.

No luckyfour I did not break the rules, I have more respect for myself and those around me. I was also not responsible for making the rules.

I agree with you Dinahmo and Alegrias. A propaganda campaign is being seeded. Most of the excuses being trotted out are pathetic, but people will hear the so often that they'll come to believe they have some value and will end up shrugging their shoulders.

LuckyFour I can honestly say that I didn't break any Covid rules - not even one little bit. I can honestly say that those people whom I know best also claim that they didn't break any rules - and I have no reason to disbelieve any of them.

My feeling is that the govt/Tory Party are making a concerted effort to spread the word to their supporters to get on the media.

I agree Dinahmo. We keep hearing the same excuses over and over again, almost the same words. So it's being seeded. People are hearing the daft excuses that they think are clever and sensible and they're parroting them back.

Just listening to Any Answers. Nearly everyone saying we should move or that the population was also breaking the rules.

A woman of my generation is saying that the cake is trivial and that the govt weren't voted into deal with covid. Now another one is saying it's a witch hunt. The number 10 garden is a work place and cannot be compared to the garden of a care home were a resident sitting in it was fined for doing so.

My feeling is that the govt/Tory Party are making a concerted effort to spread the word to their supporters to get on the media.

Change of heart now from the next caller who thinks that the public is entitled to all the information (at 14.43). Last caller is a former Private Secretary to John Major who is also angry at the apparent coverup.

I agree the parties at No 10 were a disgrace, but how many people out there (and on gransnet) can honestly say they did not break the rules even the slightest bit.

How many times?

Me. All the other people on here who have already said they didn't break the rules.

68% of respondents to a survey that somebody posted earlier this week.

And guess what? None of us are the Prime Minister. None of us work for the organisation that set the rules. None of us thought we were better than everybody else so we could ignore the rules.

Just...just stop asking. Please.

Whitewavemark2

Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.

- Mahatma Gandhi.

without civil disobedience none of us on GN would have the vote. Or at least our Mothers and Grandmothers wouldn't have anyway.

I agree the parties at No 10 were a disgrace, but how many people out there (and on gransnet) can honestly say they did not break the rules even the slightest bit. Did you see your family of five when only four were allowed, did you meet friends during lockdown. Did you tell yourself 'well it was only one small gathering, one meeting, one family birthday party' etc. I can't stand the constant 'holier than thous'. The people who suffered most were those in nursing homes who couldn't see their family when they needed them most. But I think we should all look at ourselves before we start criticising others. I went to the funeral of a close family member and we went back to the house afterwards. There weren't too many of us actually but perhaps more than was allowed but we told ourselves it was ok. We make excuses for ourselves while find fault with others.

I was late for work the other day because of the queue to the covid testing site!

As for the report, pah!

Boris will be off West next week just when the report comes out. What were the police doing in Downing Street when the drinks were being taken in?

Mollygo

What I want to know as well is, where are all the media posts there must surely be about England doing so much worse with Covid because they didn’t impose the extra restrictions like the other parts of the UK recently?
I’d have thought it an ideal time to add that to the other news.

Me too.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19latestinsights/infections

Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.

- Mahatma Gandhi.