A special fund to fight the Tories???

trisher

I do wish people would stop accusing me of things and explain their own point of view. I am in fact seriously worried that the LP will not only fail to run a decent election campaign simply because they are so strapped for money but that in doing so they will effectvely make this country a single party state. I think instead of begging for money there should be a massive effort to create unity, to make peace with the Unions and to readmit those dismissed from the party, so that a large party, a broad church party can fight a proper election. Unfortunately I don't think Starmer is a big enough man to do it.

Having read many comments on FB made by the 'purist' LP supporters (that wasn't meant to be derogatory, I don't know what else to call them), I think unity is nigh on impossible between the Left and the Centre of the party.

The anger and bitterness towards Starmer is too intense - the Left see him as a "traitor" and the Centre see the Left as "idiots" who won't compromise to get the Tories out. That's roughly the lines taken.

I'm not sure that the problem is Starmer's lack of moral strength, it's more that battle-lines are drawn and nothing is going to unite the two factions.

It cannot be a 'broad church' - one group will not tolerate the other. And the bickering and in-fighting will continue indefinitely. Starmer will not bend, and the 'purists' will not either. In the end, one group will have to split from the other completely.

So once again the only response is that I and anyone left of centre is living in the past. I'm not even going to bother to answer that ridiculous falsehood. But here's my problem. If the LP is begging now who is going to fund it when a general election comes? Because donating small sums is very laudible but there is no way that will fund a proper campaign. So why not shift a little to the left. It seems to me that it is the self styled centrists (who are actually to the right) who are willing to chuck the party under the bus.

If you can post one thing I have said which refers to coal mines, iron works, a past world or any ghosts please do so. But you can't because the policies I believe in are modern and would build a proper future.

Trisher, these 'begging' emails didn't start with Starmer. I have been a member since the 1960s and I have received requests for money every year I have been a member. The Labour Party constantly needs funding as we do not have the 'big money' the Tories have. The unity of the Party depends on everyone making an effort. Would you admit everyone who has been dismissed from the party regardless of the reason? That doesn't create unity. The Unions enjoy a unique place in the Labour movement because of their long-term association. It will take a lot to convince them to sever that link.

Trisher, I respect you, and have said it many times. We are probably a lot closer than our respective comments demonstrate.

Personally, I am left of centre, and I am not living in the past, au contraire! And I would be very happy and prepared to shift a little to the left, for sure. But I do not wish to go back to Unions controlling the Labour Party, and many who oppose Starmer do not want to 'shift a little to the left- but take us so far back to the left we will fall off, again.

trisher

I do wish people would stop accusing me of things and explain their own point of view. I am in fact seriously worried that the LP will not only fail to run a decent election campaign simply because they are so strapped for money but that in doing so they will effectvely make this country a single party state. I think instead of begging for money there should be a massive effort to create unity, to make peace with the Unions and to readmit those dismissed from the party, so that a large party, a broad church party can fight a proper election. Unfortunately I don't think Starmer is a big enough man to do it.

Who would be?

Whitewavemark2

trisher

I do wish people would stop accusing me of things and explain their own point of view. I am in fact seriously worried that the LP will not only fail to run a decent election campaign simply because they are so strapped for money but that in doing so they will effectvely make this country a single party state. I think instead of begging for money there should be a massive effort to create unity, to make peace with the Unions and to readmit those dismissed from the party, so that a large party, a broad church party can fight a proper election. Unfortunately I don't think Starmer is a big enough man to do it.

Who would be?

I've said before I think Lisa Nandy could lead the party by the next election. She's to the left, she's a woman, she's served her time under Starmer although she's more left than he is.

I don't think every member who has been excluded should be returned but I think those who lost their membership for ridiculous reasons, like discussing Corbyn's suspension, or belonging to a group Starmer decided to outlaw, should be.

Well I'm sickened re the goings on at Downing street...but I think if Keir Starmer was voted in..I would want to leave this country...?‍♀️

Why is that farview?

Do you think he has less skill and integrity than our current PM?

I don’t think Lisa Nandy would have a chance of winning a general election.

I have canvassed for many years, not only in Wales, voters don’t like accents. I heard it said about Kinnock and Brown
and she looks fragile

This certainly smacks of desperation on the part of the Labour Party.

I have never for one moment seen Starmer as Prime Minister material.

Another vote for Lisa Nandy here. I like her very much.

I would never give money to a political party much prefer to donate to charity.

Gwyneth

I would never give money to a political party much prefer to donate to charity.

... even if it were one like the post-war Labour party - you know, the one that comprised of a minister who was the main architect of the establishment of our National Health Service?

The NHS has probably prevented millions of people from needing to beg from charitable institutions to cover their otherwise unaffordable medical bills.

Yes this isn’t unusual for the Labour Party to request a bit of cash from its members. I have been a Labour Party member practically since birth (exaggeration!,) and they have always been a bit strapped.

How many voters give thought to 1945

Well I don't know why KS got rid of Jews or anyone else who supports Palestine he's had to pay back people taking Labour to court for unfairly ejected. He paid off all thoses who were working against a labour victory, no sign of the completed unredacted Forde Report yet. About 200,000 people have left. I only became a member of Labour Party when Corbyn was leader like many thousands of others. drawn to the party because of hope, many taking an active interest in politics for the first time. Jeremy left the party with 13 million in the kitty mainly through ordinary people paying their membership money. Now labour has to pay out again because of members data breach, lots are suing the party. At KS leadership election he wouldn't admit who any of the big donors were who funding him, so he'll have to rely on more of the same.

I will probably vote labour again as I always have but who knows where KS is taking the party will have to see what unfolds in the future.

How about a " special fund " for retirees ? In over 20 years the state pension has been abysmal !!

The above post explains why the tories will win the next general election and why the Labour Party had the worse defeat at the last election since 1935

Sorry EllanVannin I was referring to grany’s post

Gwyneth

I would never give money to a political party much prefer to donate to charity.

So would I Gwyneth, but I’m not an overly political person. People who donate to political parties, any party, have a very strong interest in politics and are passionate about the party they support. I have views, as I’m sure you do too Gwyneth, but I have no passion about politics. I’ve voted for all three of the major parties in the past.

Grany

Well I don't know why KS got rid of Jews or anyone else who supports Palestine he's had to pay back people taking Labour to court for unfairly ejected. He paid off all thoses who were working against a labour victory, no sign of the completed unredacted Forde Report yet. About 200,000 people have left. I only became a member of Labour Party when Corbyn was leader like many thousands of others. drawn to the party because of hope, many taking an active interest in politics for the first time. Jeremy left the party with 13 million in the kitty mainly through ordinary people paying their membership money. Now labour has to pay out again because of members data breach, lots are suing the party. At KS leadership election he wouldn't admit who any of the big donors were who funding him, so he'll have to rely on more of the same.

I will probably vote labour again as I always have but who knows where KS is taking the party will have to see what unfolds in the future.

The left are real snowflakes it seems to me.

Moan, moan, moan.

There is a tried and tested way to influence policy in the Labour Party by its members. Unlike Tory party members who have no recourse to party policy.

Use your abilities to influence policy as you see fit by conference, local constituencies etc.

Stop moaning and become active!

I hadn't really considered donating but I think that I will do now. I agree that a lot of small donations can have an impact.

Labour what do they stand for, what are their policies, who knows. All we hear every week at pmqs is partygate as if trying to bring down Boris will boost them in the polls. I can't stand gobby Rayner I think she comes over as uneducated who would want her as deputy PM not me for sure. I don't like Evette Cooper she tried to stop Brexit happening and as for David Lammy he with the almighty chip on his shoulder well Starmer has not got a good team behind him and in my opinion comes over as very wooden and uninspiring.

Rayner is deputy leader not by choice of Starmer

Anniebach

How many voters give thought to 1945

... probably very few.

But I was highlighting the point that it was a "political party", not a charity, that gave us the NHS.