Keir Starmer has to be rescued by police after being surrounded by an angry crowd who, misled by Johnson’s Commons statement, claimed he had helped a paedophile escape justice. It just shows how irresponsible, almost Trumpian, Johnson’s comment was.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/07/police-rescue-keir-starmer-after-protesters-surround-him-near-parliament
The protest was nothing to do with Starmer until they caught sight of him. I expect that any well known politician would have had the same treatment.
A protest hanging around waiting for a place to happen.
Dominic Grieve is a Conservative MP who lost a confidence vote in his constituency after he attempted to block Brexit. He's obviously got a big chip on his shoulder with regards to Boris and the Conservative party,but it seems he's not alone a lot of remainers are very bitter.
11:49Callistemon21
The protest was nothing to do with Starmer until they caught sight of him. I expect that any well known politician would have had the same treatment.
A protest hanging around waiting for a place to happen.
Why did Starmer and chip on his shoulder Lammy decide to walk past, why not keep out of the way. ?
He's obviously got a big chip on his shoulder with regards to Boris and the Conservative party
No, he probably has integrity and thinks Johnson is betraying the integrity of the Conservative party too.
Oh, FFS, Maudi. 'Bitter Remainers'
You're not worth answering.
I’m beginning to make sense of what ‘click bait’ is, thanks to Maudi
A blind man could see that Dominic Grieve like the other Dominic has an axe to grind. Obviously the remainers love him.
Either Mr Johnson knows he is a rabble rouser, or he does not even understand the concept of rousing a rabble. In each case he is unfit to be a politician.
"Why did Starmer and chip on his shoulder Lammy decide to walk past, why not keep out of the way. " Perhaps because they were going somewhere about their own lawful business and didn't imagine they would be in danger from a "peaceful demonstration" in thiscivilised, democratic and law-abiding country? Doubtless Jo Cox and Sir David Amess thought the same thing - just before they were murdered.
Chip on his shoulder ? About what Maudi ?
That isn't a chip, it is a whole log, and it is obstructing her ears so that she can't hear the truth that so many people have been trying to get through to her. There are none so deaf as those who won't hear.
Caleo
Either Mr Johnson knows he is a rabble rouser, or he does not even understand the concept of rousing a rabble. In each case he is unfit to be a politician.
Caleo Johnson knew perfectly well what he was doing and how it would encourage some people to believe the slur that Starmer was somehow sympathetic to that monster Saville and in cahoots with him to avoid justice.
It is standard Trumpish dirty-tricks policy to discredit his opponents in any way possible, instead of building up his own position by honourable and statesmanlike behaviour.
Maudi
A blind man could see that Dominic Grieve like the other Dominic has an axe to grind. Obviously the remainers love him.
No. We respect MP’s that uphold the law and speak and behave with common decency. Most of us are not tribal in that way: we don’t blindly follow MP’s that we feel are doing wrong purely because we vote for their party.
12:52Elegran
That isn't a chip, it is a whole log, and it is obstructing her ears so that she can't hear the truth that so many people have been trying to get through to her. There are none so deaf as those who won't hear.
How nasty true colours come to mind.
Obviously on GN you are not allowed an opinion if it disagrees with the stalwart remainer posters. Back to Facebook where my view is the popular view.
No surprise there then
Actually Maudi, why don't you just enjoy your holiday? (I assume that is why you are 3 hours ahead).
Back to Dominic Grieve; a man of principle, a decent politician and a sharp reminder of how low the current administration have dragged the Tory party. At the risk of repeating myself, my problem with Johnson is not because he is a Tory, or because he is a Brexiteer, it is because he is a liar, a cheat, an immoral individual. Unlike some on here, I can differentiate between politics, party, and morals.
Exactly Gill
Maudi we all have different opinions, all that’s asked of us by fellow posters that we present a coherent argument for our perspective. Those who spout invective with no evidence get jumped on, as is the case in any civilised discussion.
And those who won't look at the facts as they were at that date are basing their opinion purely on their horror at what was revealed after his death Before that the man was a popular entertainer who appeared to do a lot of good, and who managed to deceive a lot of people. He also apparently managed to silence a lot of his victims, so while he was alive, no-one would testify against him.
The CPS decided there was not enough evidence to either convict or acquit Saville. That is their job - to judge whether a trial is justified on the evidence available. Finding that evidence was the job of the police, who had been unable to find anyone who would stand up in court and say that they had been abused. You can't have a trial without evidence and witnesses, unless you are a banana republic without any laws.
Saville's nasty true colours only came to light after he was dead and his victims felt safe to tell the truth. What a pity their testimony was not available before his death!
It’s also worth remembering that the early allegations were dismissed because some saw it as unfair to accuse a dead man who couldn’t defend himself
Maudi
11:49Callistemon21
The protest was nothing to do with Starmer until they caught sight of him. I expect that any well known politician would have had the same treatment.
A protest hanging around waiting for a place to happen.
Why did Starmer and chip on his shoulder Lammy decide to walk past, why not keep out of the way. ?
Probably because they were on their way from one office to another and had to pass them. If he had crossed the road the protesters would have seen him and responded accordingly.
In case you don't know there is a separate building, called Portcullis House at Number 1 The Embankment which houses 213 MPs and their staff. It is across the road from the Palace of Westminster.
Iam64
I’m beginning to make sense of what ‘click bait’ is, thanks to Maudi
Sometimes it's quite nice to indulge in a response to silly posts like those of Maudi. Perhaps one day she'll get the message!
Elegran
And those who won't look at the facts as they were at that date are basing their opinion purely on their horror at what was revealed after his death Before that the man was a popular entertainer who appeared to do a lot of good, and who managed to deceive a lot of people. He also apparently managed to silence a lot of his victims, so while he was alive, no-one would testify against him.
The CPS decided there was not enough evidence to either convict or acquit Saville. That is their job - to judge whether a trial is justified on the evidence available. Finding that evidence was the job of the police, who had been unable to find anyone who would stand up in court and say that they had been abused. You can't have a trial without evidence and witnesses, unless you are a banana republic without any laws.
Saville's nasty true colours only came to light after he was dead and his victims felt safe to tell the truth. What a pity their testimony was not available before his death!
Good post. You have hit the nail on the head about Savile. What is known now was not known then.
If it had been, I doubt Mrs Thatcher would've knighted him, or that he would have spent many weekends at Chequers - nor would he have been able to hob-nob with the Royal Family.
Some of the posters - well, one in particular - is being wise after the event. And that's just dishonest and mendacious.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but facts remain facts. There are things one can level against Starmer - I have a bit of a list myself - but protecting a paedophile, or preventing him from being called to justice, is not one of them.
On any level, Johnson's comment was a disgrace.
Spot on Dickens. Johnson knew exactly what he was doing. Deflecting focus on his rule and guidance breaking, suggesting that didn’t matter anything like as much as letting peadophiles carry on abusing. A lie a downright provable lie but Johnson has no
Moral compass. Unlike Starmer who is a man of integrity
Dinahmo
Maudi
11:49Callistemon21
The protest was nothing to do with Starmer until they caught sight of him. I expect that any well known politician would have had the same treatment.
A protest hanging around waiting for a place to happen.
Why did Starmer and chip on his shoulder Lammy decide to walk past, why not keep out of the way. ?Probably because they were on their way from one office to another and had to pass them. If he had crossed the road the protesters would have seen him and responded accordingly.
In case you don't know there is a separate building, called Portcullis House at Number 1 The Embankment which houses 213 MPs and their staff. It is across the road from the Palace of Westminster.
How odd
I didn't say any of that, apart from
A protest hanging around waiting for a place to happen
My quote was copied out of context.
I don't know what is happening on GN now but posters are being misquoted constantly.
Maudi if you quote someone please use these ^^ around the quote as that will make it clearer.
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