Time to squash those disruptive group of tories

It is time that our leaders stood up against this rump and told them in no uncertain terms to get lost.

This is a joke, isn't it*Wwmk2*?

Well, no because this is such a serious crises that party politics must rise above this issue.

We know that Johnson won’t, but there are more in the Tory party than him, and they have a duty to do everything they can to protect the population from this crises that is bearing down on us with huge speed.

I can’t believe the gullibility of some people. We are beggaring ourselves in this country for no reason whatsoever, the pollution we produce compared with other nations is minuscule.
When our rising energy prices and lack of energy start to hit, this country may come to it’s senses, too late! We’ll have ground to a halt.
I wonder who the first people will be to complain about no electricity supply. Hmm, let me think….

I for one am very pleased to hear this.
I certainly didn’t vote for the Green party but it seems to be what we’ve got now.

Is the population entirely happy with these new regulations being forced on us, amongst them electric cars and these totally inefficient heat pumps in our homes?

This obsession with green environmental policies isn’t sustainable, so I really hope those MPs are successful.

JenniferEccles

I for one am very pleased to hear this.
I certainly didn’t vote for the Green party but it seems to be what we’ve got now.

Is the population entirely happy with these new regulations being forced on us, amongst them electric cars and these totally inefficient heat pumps in our homes?

This obsession with green environmental policies isn’t sustainable, so I really hope those MPs are successful.

Interesting post.

Would be interested in knowing whether you are a climate change denier.

I’m not a climate change denier, I’ve just got the intelligence to see what is happening to this country.
Climate change has been happening for millions of years, it’s a natural phenomenon. Do some research.

The green energy levy adds to people’s fuel bills. I would like to see it suspended until fuel prices go down again. We should not be spending on climate change whilst people have to choose between heating and eating.

LadyGracie

I’m not a climate change denier, I’ve just got the intelligence to see what is happening to this country.
Climate change has been happening for millions of years, it’s a natural phenomenon. Do some research.

If you are talking to me , you are talking to the wrong person.

My DS is a climate scientist and throughout the past 20 + years has been taking action to mitigate the effects of climate change.

I have been awash with information and to suggest that this is a natural phenomena is not only entirely wrong, but dangerous.

I'm all for trying to avoid as much pollution as possible, but not to the extent of bankrupting ourselves. Green issues seem to have taken over and we can't afford to keep going greener and greener, so lets keep everything in perspective.
For instance, electric cars are just not sustainable, you'd need 2 cars - one for every day and another for long runs no matter how many electric charge points are available.
Imagine needing to dash to an elderly relative's emergency and finding the car didn't have enough charge!

There is so much uninformed comment.

My sons car does 300 miles before needing charging. It can be fully charged in less than 30 minutes at a charging point. It’s drive is extremely impressive.

With regard to the argument that we can’t afford to follow a green agenda.

Why?

From Richard Murphy's blog this morning:

As a result, a new line of attack is emerging. The claim is that it would be nice to have a future, but that we cannot afford it at present, and so we will have to forgo it. The nihilism inherent within this is all too obvious, except I suspect to those who are promoting it, who would appear to very largely be middle-aged men who are keeping their fingers crossed that they will make it through life before any of the consequences of their actions are really apparent.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/02/09/we-dont-have-a-cost-of-living-crisis-we-have-a-cost-of-resource-exploitation-crisis-as-people-are-priced-out-of-living-accommodation-energy-and-food-by-landlords-and-energy-companies/

I think that what I have highlighted is what we are seeing in the responses on this thread. Richard could have added and elderly people who are keeping their fingers crossed etc.

There are solutions available for the fuel price crisis that don't involve suspending efforts to mitigate climate crisis.
Like giving people a true and meaningful rebate on their energy bills.

Or a windfall tax on the enormous profits being made by energy companies on the back of global energy price increases. If they were only passing on necessary price increases to their customers they wouldn't be making huge profits, just reasonable ones in line with their past profit reords.

And investing in renewable energy instead of leaving it to 'the market', which is not interested in sustainable energy, just in profit taking.

Yes I’m reading that now they’ve completely buggered the country over Brexit, more or less the same group of idiots with Steve Baker as the leader are turning their misguided attention to climate change.

Frightening how in denial people are.

Whitewave I have come to the conclusion that nothing will happen until there is no other choice. I think the pandemic has shown that.

I suspect mass migrations that will result from climate change will just lead to us pulling up the drawbridge and voting in authoritarian governments. I think there is little we can do to stop it. Of course the worst of this will come when many of us using this site are dead, but we leave a mess for our children and grandchildren.

Whitewavemark2

There is so much uninformed comment.

My sons car does 300 miles before needing charging. It can be fully charged in less than 30 minutes at a charging point. It’s drive is extremely impressive.

With regard to the argument that we can’t afford to follow a green agenda.

Why?

May I ask you name the make and model of your son's car with this impressive range and charge time so we can ascertain how affordable it would be to the average household? From those I've looked at not only can we not afford an electric car, but without a drive there is the problem of charging point availability.

Charging can be divided into
Slow - usually rated up to 3kW is mainly used to charge overnight at home or workplace. Takes 8-10 hours to fully charge.
Fast - rated at either 7kW or 22kW and can usually be found in car parks, supermarkets, leisure centres. Takes 3-4 hours to fully charge.
Rapid - typically rated from 43kW and found at motorway service stations, petrol stations, supermarkets. Takes 30-60 minutes to fully charge but is only compatible with rapid-charging function EVs.

I'm not at all against green measures and rules, but these do have to be compatible with and affordable by most people, not just a wealthy elite.

Good post Rosie. I live in a rural area where charging points are non-existent. If I were to find one then judging by what I’ve seen elsewhere there would be a long wait to get to it. Our delivery people certainly couldn’t drive electric vans. I shall be driving my gas guzzler for a long time yet.

Another point is that when electric car manufacturers talk about the number of miles you can drive after a charge, that’s in perfectly ideal conditions.
Factor in the heating, air conditioning, lights, heated seats etc and the distance drops considerably.
Plus of course there’s the problem of finding a petrol station with enough charge points so that you don’t have to wait for one to become free, and a completely different picture emerges.

How are we going to be able to produce enough electricity to cope with all this?
How about the mining of the rare minerals needed in the millions and millions of car batteries needed if this insane idea comes into force within a few years?

Then there are the air and heat source pumps which we are expected to believe will keep us warm in the winter?

I have yet to read a single positive word about the things.
How ‘green’ is it to rip out and dispose of millions of perfectly serviceable gas boilers?
I’m sure others will have plenty of other examples of how misguided this plan is.
It’s the one thing I am most at odds with the government about.
Oh yes, we apparently contribute less than 1% of greenhouse gases, yet the biggest contributors such as China, Russia and the USA are never going to go down this route

It’s never going to work is it?

So you are saying that the enormous changes that have happened over millions of years are not natural. What caused them then. Please ask your husband why when they give examples of climate change the from date is always different. Very selective use of data!

Can I suggest that climate scientists go to China, Russia etc and have a word with them.

I agree, Brexit has done major harm to this country, because the government have not carried it out as promised.

But, it is the fanciful Green’s that are going to bring us to our knees.

Guy Martin did a test in an electric car, the results were abysmal, it was fascinating to watch.

Germanshepherdsmum

Good post Rosie. I live in a rural area where charging points are non-existent. If I were to find one then judging by what I’ve seen elsewhere there would be a long wait to get to it. Our delivery people certainly couldn’t drive electric vans. I shall be driving my gas guzzler for a long time yet.

I think that one has a charging point at home and leave your car connected overnight. One friend has a Renault which does 300km when fully charged. Another has a Ford hybrid which is self charging.

Another has a Ford hybrid which is self charging.

I often wonder if hybrids should be the way to go at the moment. I wonder, in terms of fossil fuel usage, how the amount of petrol they use compares with the gas usage necessary to produce the electricity needed to charge all those electric cars?

We have 2 friends with hybrids and they seem very happy with them.

I bought a Honda CR V last year MaizieD. It’s a self-charging hybrid. Mr. B and I looked at the market, proposed legislation and our own needs before deciding this was our best option. We’re very happy with it.

Trouble is Dinahmo, a lot of people’s homes don’t have somewhere to charge the car off-road, and even if they did it’s no use if your journey is longer than the car’s range and you have to try to find a charging point. People travelling to my area wouldn’t find one.

You’d be surprised regarding charging points if you haven’t looked lately Germanshepherdsmum. I live in rural mid Wales, which has been the back of beyond for charging points, but even here there are now several within 5 miles of me - apparently there are almost 30,000 UK wide. I still wouldn’t get an electric car yet because it’s too mountainous to make it practical, I can’t get up to see my parents and back on one charge - but hopefully in the next couple of years batteries will improve further.

Gosh you’re lucky. The lack of them here was being moaned about in the local paper just last week.