The Queen has COVID

Any post about the Queen will involve discussion on the monarchy. Discussing the Monarchy leads to consideration of our class system, politics, wealth, inheritance as well as relationships within the RF.
The vast majority of comments here wish the Queen a good recovery from this awful virus and acknowledge her lifetime of service.
That doesn’t prevent wider discussion

I can worry about lifting people out of poverty and think that the RF is something that is not helpful in modern society, it's possible to think of two things at once.

GrannyGravy read Annies post, yesterday 16.44; which I replied to this morning.

Well you have missed the post I refer to GG13. Nothing wrong with a certain amount of wealth, as MaisieD's posts explain very well.
Perhaps you would care to answer my question regarding hoarding money.

Lifting people out of poverty is a different topic.

Iam64

Any post about the Queen will involve discussion on the monarchy. Discussing the Monarchy leads to consideration of our class system, politics, wealth, inheritance as well as relationships within the RF.
The vast majority of comments here wish the Queen a good recovery from this awful virus and acknowledge her lifetime of service.
That doesn’t prevent wider discussion

Thank you. My point exactly.

nadateturbe

Well you have missed the post I refer to GG13. Nothing wrong with a certain amount of wealth, as MaisieD's posts explain very well.
Perhaps you would care to answer my question regarding hoarding money.

Lifting people out of poverty is a different topic.

One persons hoarding is another persons savings.

Why shouldn’t lifting people out of poverty not be discussed ?
We have posts about a dead woman who was an alcoholic allegedly

FannyCornforth

GrannyGravy read Annies post, yesterday 16.44; which I replied to this morning.

Anniebach is merely pointing out the way this thread has gone.

I do think that when it comes to the Royal Family all threads end up referring to their wealth.

Their wealth has not prevented several members of the RF getting Covid.

It cannot prevent cancer, heart failure etc., it can however buy the best treatment, and don’t forget that money funds research into cures for disease and it gave us the vaccines for Covid.

There is a song from a musical money makes the world go round ???.

In its own way, resenting that rich people have a lot of money is also making money the be-all and end-all. Elegran

Who resents "rich people".? I object to the wealth of some people not being taxed appropriately. I also object to how they can avoid paying some tax altogether. It is ridiculous to assume the trite propaganda of the right, i.e. that others not sharing their view "resent rich people" is correct.

Anniebach

This thread is about a woman who has Covid yet some choose to speak of her wealth not her health therefore money is of more importance to some than health

GG I read the above to mean that Annie was accusing me and others as believing that:

‘money is more important … than health’

Not simply ‘pointing out the way that the thread has gone’

I didn't say it shouldn't be discussed Anniebach. I said it's a different topic to hoarding wealth.
Saving is good, if you can GG13.
Hoarding money that will never be used?? How is that OK?

But Anniebach you didn't answer my question. I can only assume you agree hoarding money is wrong.

"Poverty comes about because the skills and abilities that some people have are not ones that are command a high wage, and that is because we don't value them enough." Elegran

In 2018 the the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Philip Alston, found that “14 million people, a fifth of the population, live in poverty. Four million of these are more than 50% below the poverty line, and 1.5 million are destitute, unable to afford basic essentials.”

That means that for every four people you know who are okay, there is one out there who is living below the poverty line. For every 10 there is one who is living 50% below the poverty line and for every 100 you know who are okay 11 are destitute. (Open to someone correcting this).

Whether we value people or not it is governments who change things. As individuals we can try to help but we cannot change the structure of society we can only change governments and expect them to change the structure.

Is there a difference between hoarding money and investing savings ?

Where does hoarding money start and investing savings end ?

some own their own homes and have a holiday home, some families have several cars.

nadateturbe

I didn't say it shouldn't be discussed Anniebach. I said it's a different topic to hoarding wealth.
Saving is good, if you can GG13.
Hoarding money that will never be used?? How is that OK?

But Anniebach you didn't answer my question. I can only assume you agree hoarding money is wrong.

You missed my point in another post, who has the right to determine when money goes from savings to hoardings

I am a Royalist (in case you hadn’t guessed) I do not begrudge them their wealth, I would not like to live in the goldfish bowl of public scrutiny which they have to.

I do not begrudge anyones wealth, whether earned or inherited.

I hope that now the pandemic is retreating that the U.K. can concentrate on the low paid, helping them with further education, training to suit their vocational inspirations.

Anniebach

Is there a difference between hoarding money and investing savings ?

Where does hoarding money start and investing savings end ?

some own their own homes and have a holiday home, some families have several cars.

That’s exactly my point Anniebach well said

DaisyAnne like everything in life it starts in the classroom. If all children are treated equally once they enter school, if they are encouraged and nurtured they will have the tools and the confidence to go forward in life,

It’s taken me ages to go back and read this thread from the beginning.
It’s true that if all people did on here was wish the Queen a speedy recovery and hope she gets well soon, the thread would die. But some of the posts almost make it sound as if it serves her right that she’s got Covid because she’s so wealthy.
Having money doesn’t guarantee you good health. It does make it easier for you to be looked after when you are ill.
It’s true the RF Have lots of possessions that they probably don’t need or use. Others on GN also have those, albeit on a much smaller scale. but sharing them out would eventually make very little difference.
Just as awful at the moment and very relevant is the number of people, even on GN, who have second/holiday homes in places where local people can’t even afford to buy a first home because of holiday home buyers. It’s another form of wealth ‘hoarding’.

Anniebach

Is there a difference between hoarding money and investing savings ?

Where does hoarding money start and investing savings end ?

some own their own homes and have a holiday home, some families have several cars.

The Queen is estimated to be worth £1.6 billion. If that's not hoarding money I don't know what is.

Still, I expect she thinks she's quite hard up compared to Bezos. $188 billion.

Anniebach

I failed to see any connect between a woman who has Covid, with her wealth, and her mother was an alcoholic .

Start threads on these matters,

So we can discuss wider issues ? Without being told to start a different thread ? Good

Estimated volver

Mollygo the Queen is apparently lucky she does have to peg out washing, as all 95 year olds have to

* some of the posts almost make it sound as if it serves her right that she’s got Covid because she’s so wealthy*

Absolute nonsense

GrannyGravy13

nadateturbe

I didn't say it shouldn't be discussed Anniebach. I said it's a different topic to hoarding wealth.
Saving is good, if you can GG13.
Hoarding money that will never be used?? How is that OK?

But Anniebach you didn't answer my question. I can only assume you agree hoarding money is wrong.

You missed my point in another post, who has the right to determine when money goes from savings to hoardings

I am a Royalist (in case you hadn’t guessed) I do not begrudge them their wealth, I would not like to live in the goldfish bowl of public scrutiny which they have to.

I do not begrudge anyones wealth, whether earned or inherited.

I hope that now the pandemic is retreating that the U.K. can concentrate on the low paid, helping them with further education, training to suit their vocational inspirations.

So will do the low paid, low skill jobs?

Lucca

* some of the posts almost make it sound as if it serves her right that she’s got Covid because she’s so wealthy*

Absolute nonsense

Exactly.

The only posts that could be perceived as that came from someone called Poppsbaggie, whose name I definitely haven’t seen before

growstuff what is wrong with wanting to better yourself?

As for low pay/low skilled jobs, increase the minimum wage.

Nanadeturbe " it's wrong to store (hoard) money that will never be used while fellow human beings are in need. " Money is an inert thing. only of use for what it can buy. Taken from one person and given to someone else it will cover their needs at that moment, but it won't support them this time next year, or for the rest of their lives. That will need a repeat, and a repeat and a repeat.

A good government oversees the economy and the infrastructure so that every child gets as good an education as the most affluent ( but doesn't assume that every child is identical to all others and will come out of a sausage machine identical to all the other links - nor would it be a good thing if they did) has easy access to medical treatment as good as any that the rich pay for, that the legal system is as accessible and fair to the shelf stacker as to the tycoon, and that all other organisations of the civilised state work for the benefit of every member of the population.

To do that takes money. The state has no money of its own, only what they get from the population through taxes. The tax structure is such that those with the biggest income should pay the most tax. If more money is needed to fund all the infrastructure, then it has to come either from taxes or from persuading the wealthy to endow more schools and hospitals etc.

You can't stop people from making money and putting away the surplus for a rainy day - that is the same instinct as our distant ancestors had to collect wild food when it was plentiful and store it, or to grow more produce than they could eat immediately and preserve it for winter. what you can do is to make absolutely sure that some of their stores go toward funding the national organisations that support those who don't have a big bank balance.

Perhaps, encourage the philanthropic to endow a school or a hospital ward and continue to pay all of its expenses. Some old schools and hospitals were set up centuries ago with buildings and a capital investment whose interest brought in an income, specifically for orphans or the poor. Part of the motive was to make sure that the donor would have a seat booked in heaven, but the earthly result was that education and medical care wre provided for some, at least, of those who would not otherwise have received them.

Philanthropy is not a fashionable concept these days, any more than honourable and imaginative public office.

Sorry this got so long.