Lifting all Covid resrictions- how do you feel about it?

Marydoll

Unfortunately, there are a fair number of posters who are taken in by the conspiracy theories.
The first thing we taught pupils was to use a variety of sources and state the source, when researching.

Unfortunately, the country is led by somebody who wouldn't know what the truth was, if he were hit in the face with it.

The issue of suicides has been fact-checked many times and is false.

We have to fight a biological pandemic and an internet disinformation pandemic.

I'm not sure which is the bigger threat.

Unfortunately, there are a fair number of posters who are taken in by the conspiracy theories.
The first thing we taught pupils was to use a variety of sources and state the source, when researching.

effalump

Daisymae, Covid-19 was originally classed as a HCID "High Consequence Infectious disease" but four days before the first lockdown Public Health England stated on the gov.uk that it found that it wasn't as serious as it had first thought and downgraded it same as influenza. At that time I remember thinking "thank Goodness, at least we won't need to lockdown now", silly me. Two years later - trashed economy, small businesses smashed, jobs lost, mental health and suicides gone through the roof, a population terrified out of their wits. Yes, many deaths too, out of approx. 160,000 only around 7,000 were people with covid and no other co-morbidities according to Office for National Statistics.

This was circulating on the internet and is basically conspiracy theory - a salutary lesson in doing your research before you post.

I don’t mind wearing a mask. I’m still doing it at work, as we have been given the option, and in shops because I want to.
What are all the lanyard wearers that we have been protecting going to do, now we don’t have to wear masks?

varian

Wearing a mask in shops and public transport does not harm the economy

Refusing to do that signals that you are someone who does not care about anyone else.

Maybe they wouldn't mind wearing a badge stating "I couldn't give a stuff".

effalump

Daisymae, Covid-19 was originally classed as a HCID "High Consequence Infectious disease" but four days before the first lockdown Public Health England stated on the gov.uk that it found that it wasn't as serious as it had first thought and downgraded it same as influenza. At that time I remember thinking "thank Goodness, at least we won't need to lockdown now", silly me. Two years later - trashed economy, small businesses smashed, jobs lost, mental health and suicides gone through the roof, a population terrified out of their wits. Yes, many deaths too, out of approx. 160,000 only around 7,000 were people with covid and no other co-morbidities according to Office for National Statistics.

It's not true effalump. It's a conspiracy theory lie and you've fallen for it.

Wearing a mask in shops and public transport does not harm the economy

Refusing to do that signals that you are someone who does not care about anyone else.

Farzanah

effalump You clearly haven’t seen the information explaining that stats about only 7,000 (do you mean 17,000 which was publicised?) dying from Covid is more complicated, and is in fact incorrect.
Do you ever listen to “More or Less” R4 or read FullFact.org where this has been disputed and disproved?

"Incorrect" isn't the right word. It's a lie and the people who are claiming that figure are downright irresponsible.

rosie1959

westendgirl

Is it really such a difficult thing to wear a mask in areas such as shops,buses etc to help someone else ?

Depends what I am doing a quick nip in the supermarket I can tolerate a mask
Off to Brighton in a couple of weeks which will include some leisurely shopping then no mask they get on my nerves but I will test before I go out you can’t give someone something you don’t have

So you'd put other people in danger because something "gets on your nerves"? Wow! I can think of plenty of things which get on my nerves, but I thought we were all supposed to be adults.

PS. That was in response to songstress.

What an incredibly selfish attitude! You might as well have just said "I'll do what I like and sod you!"

songstress60

Bring on normality. It can't come soon enough. We cannot go on hiding and isolating for ever. What about the economy and people's mental health. Those who don't feel safe well let them self-isolate, and let the rest of us get back to normal.

Exactly the attitude I’ve been talking about. It’s not about not feeling safe, it’s about not being safe.

songstress60

Bring on normality. It can't come soon enough. We cannot go on hiding and isolating for ever. What about the economy and people's mental health. Those who don't feel safe well let them self-isolate, and let the rest of us get back to normal.

I don't know about you, but I haven't been hiding or isolating. So how exactly does wearing a mask, staying at home when you're ill or not being supported financially to stay off work affect the economy or anybody's mental health?

On the contrary, many CEV people are likely to have their mental affected because, if they want to go out, they'll have to meet and possibly be infected by irresponsible people, who like to think they're "freedom fighters".

Bring on normality. It can't come soon enough. We cannot go on hiding and isolating for ever. What about the economy and people's mental health. Those who don't feel safe well let them self-isolate, and let the rest of us get back to normal.

westendgirl

Is it really such a difficult thing to wear a mask in areas such as shops,buses etc to help someone else ?

Depends what I am doing a quick nip in the supermarket I can tolerate a mask
Off to Brighton in a couple of weeks which will include some leisurely shopping then no mask they get on my nerves but I will test before I go out you can’t give someone something you don’t have

effalump You clearly haven’t seen the information explaining that stats about only 7,000 (do you mean 17,000 which was publicised?) dying from Covid is more complicated, and is in fact incorrect.
Do you ever listen to “More or Less” R4 or read FullFact.org where this has been disputed and disproved?

Having other Co-morbities wouldn’t mean you would otherwise die though effalump, so that’s a meaningless comparison,

Daisymae, Covid-19 was originally classed as a HCID "High Consequence Infectious disease" but four days before the first lockdown Public Health England stated on the gov.uk that it found that it wasn't as serious as it had first thought and downgraded it same as influenza. At that time I remember thinking "thank Goodness, at least we won't need to lockdown now", silly me. Two years later - trashed economy, small businesses smashed, jobs lost, mental health and suicides gone through the roof, a population terrified out of their wits. Yes, many deaths too, out of approx. 160,000 only around 7,000 were people with covid and no other co-morbidities according to Office for National Statistics.

westendgirl

Is it really such a difficult thing to wear a mask in areas such as shops,buses etc to help someone else ?

This keeps coming up in threads like this doesn’t it ? I wouldn’t have thought it was too much to ask, to keep vulnerable people safe when restrictions are lifted, but I can see the point of view of those who, after almost two years of mandatory mask wearing, are keen to get rid of them for good. From the point of view of someone CEV throughout the pandemic, I think it’s more to do with asking people to be mindful of those who are still vulnerable by keeping a reasonable distance, and yes, maybe consider wearing a mask just in crowded areas. The government has yet to issue any proper guidance to CEV people, who have spent the last two years getting regular letters and emails with dire warnings about shielding and other measures. The only advice has been to refer to GP or specialist. The promise of another jab in the spring seemed like an afterthought.

Is it really such a difficult thing to wear a mask in areas such as shops,buses etc to help someone else ?

growstuff

LtEve

growstuff

LtEve

2017-18 was the bad flu year, mainly due to an ineffective vaccine. It's quite difficult to find the figures now but from memory it hit 300 deaths per day. I remember it well as I was working as a paramedic and it was horrific, massive delays outside hospitals and regular 14 hour shifts.

Here's the link to the statistics. I expect there are some contact details, so you can tell them they're wrong.

www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/influenzadeathsin20182019and2020

Your link refers to 2018 not 2017-2018 which was much worse.

It was still much lower than Covid deaths:

fullfact.org/online/october-2020-flu-covid-pandemic/

I am not saying that flu is worse or even comparable to Covid just that 2017-2018 was a serious flu year with many deaths. Of course Covid is worse as it is a new virus to which we had no immunity. Most of the human race has at least some immunity to influenza thank goodness or the death toll would be horrendous.
It will be the same, or worse for the future pandemics which consist of new viruses and will come, probably sooner rather than later according to various virologists. After all this pandemic was not entirely unexpected and has behaved as expected by the scientists. God knows why it seemed to be such a surprise to our governments.

Yes the inequality in all this is shocking Pammie1.

Oh just read that Boots are charging £17 for four lateral flows from today.

From March it will be £12.50 for a pack of 5 but you won’t be able to report your result anyway.

Well that will get the covid numbers down I guess.