You’d think this news would be front page‼️

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

I agree with you.

No I do not agree. A genius is stealthy and successful in his aim, but neither is true of Putin.

It has been clear for years what his intention was and we watched and did nothing as he interfered in elections and referendums, many arguing that there was no interference when report after report said otherwise. He could have been stopped then.

This is someone who has for years worked towards regaining a Russia that only existed for a few years in the 20 century.

There is nothin genius about Putin, but this is a chancer, with a high opinion of his strategic ability, which has been reinforced by the wests reluctance to say “enough”

I think recycling of stories happens in most papers so no it doesnt particularly worry me. As I have said much more worried about Facebook (who to say have a slightly larger reach is an understatement) deciding that it wasnt permissible to discuss it much more scary in terms of democracy. The influence of those media is waning each day, the power lies elsewhere now.

So do you think that misleading stories about the source of the virus are A-OK and should be on the front page?

Galaxy

I am about as far away as possible from trumps politics but I think censorship of information is probably more worrying than anything that trump.could come up with and that is what happened with the lab leak theory and I am not going to pretend that didnt happen.

So what new news is there?

Worrying about the Telegraph recycling a story when Facebook decided to censor the information we receive, wrong target I am afraid. And I am no fan of the telegraph either

Good post volver.

I am about as far away as possible from trumps politics but I think censorship of information is probably more worrying than anything that trump.could come up with and that is what happened with the lab leak theory and I am not going to pretend that didnt happen.

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

I agree with you.

But the fake news was actually 'that didnt happen and we will censor anyone who says it didn't', strangely there was no reaction to that 'fake news'. That was about as manipulative as it gets.
Only worry about fake news when it fits with a particular political narrative.

Urmstongran Vladimir Putin’s strategy was/is definitely genius. He has played the world like toy puppets.

Trump said Putin was GENIUS because of his STRATEGY.

“I said, ‘This is genius,'”
“Putin declared a big portion of … Ukraine … as independent. Oh, that’s wonderful. … I said, ‘How smart is that?’ And he’s going to go in and be a peacekeeper.

WELL, That’s strongest peace force. … We could use that on our southern border. That’s the strongest peace force I’ve ever seen! There were more army tanks than I’ve ever seen. They’re going to keep the peace all right. Here’s a guy who’s very savvy … “

Trump then went on to say that Biden is weak and that this escalation would never had happened on his watch.

I agree with you Galaxy many on here hate Trump and it colours their judgement.

I for one agree with Trump. This awful pandemic had nothing to do with bluddy pangolins and wet markets.

Remember how the wet markets reopened almost immediately? Strange that.

Couldn’t agree more. You could see my name and photo on my firm’s website when I was working but now you won’t find my photo or name anywhere online.

Galaxy

And I am going to tell you that the strategy you are using has been proved time and time again not to work. You call other people easily led but seem unable to learn from the previous mistakes of others.
I am glad there is discussion of the leak, whether it's in the Telegraph or in the numerous other places it is currently being discussed. Most people dont get information from newspapers these days and this discussion has been happening in various formats for some time.
Its seems possible that they werent wrong about the leak and actually the misdirection came from those trying to censor that discussion.
.

I'll say this once then I'll not be saying it again on this thread.

In a world that is riven with propaganda, somebody has to call it out. The Telegraph took a story about biosecurity and used it as an excuse to dig up old stories about the source of the virus.

They may be right and they may be wrong. So what do we know about the source of the virus that we didn't know before? Sweet Fanny Adams, that's what. So why should it be front page news? That is what I am objecting to. The Telegraph are making this a much bigger story that it actually is, and misleading people. If we were to ask a lot of people posting on this thread if they thought this bolsters the ideas that the origin was a lab leak, they are likely to say yes. If we ask people that this confirms it was a lab leak, some of them would say yes.

Maybe it was a lab leak and maybe it wasn't, and of course we should talk about it. But what this is doing is maliciously using old news to make people think that more has been found out about the source of the leak, when that is not the case.

If you don't think fake news is dangerous, today of all days, then that says a lot. And I'll not apologise for pointing out when people are being blatantly manipulated towards believe something has happened when it hasn't. Suggesting that this is not the way to go about things is patronising to the very people you accuse me of calling "stupid".

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

tickingbird

Who do you imagine is controlling what you think or say?

Rather childish of you growstuff

When the pandemic began there was plenty on this forum about China and their lack of openness about how it started. Many were roundly condemned and slated for expressing negative views on them. Doubtless you were one of them.

Well remembered.
Trump was roundly called out on here for calling it ‘the Chinah virus’.
He knew it. Most because they didn’t like HIM distanced themselves from his comment.

Is that the same Trump who has called Putin “A genius”?

To be fair Whitewavemark2 Vladimir Putin has taken the USA and Western Nations for fools over Ukraine, there is a very fine line between genius and madness…

We are not careful or cautious enough about information we put out there. Who knows what ancient emnities are still being held when we've long forgotten or simply don't know about the causes.

We post pictures of our families and give out so much information on 'socials' - how do we know for sure the platforms are benign? Tiktok, facebook, twitter et al - all good sources of data to be harvested by who knows what ideological faction.
We bank online, we shop online because it's easier, more convenient, we share points of view on any social media platform when we have no clue about who's possibly storing the data for future use.
Hitler was able to carry out his final solution because he knew where to look. I know we can't put the genie back in the bottle but maybe we can put a bit more thought into stuff before we press the send button.

I loathe Trump but if he said the world is round I would agree with him, we seem to have got into a situation where we cant look at a statement logically because we are blinded by dislike for a person.

And I am going to tell you that the strategy you are using has been proved time and time again not to work. You call other people easily led but seem unable to learn from the previous mistakes of others.
I am glad there is discussion of the leak, whether it's in the Telegraph or in the numerous other places it is currently being discussed. Most people dont get information from newspapers these days and this discussion has been happening in various formats for some time.
Its seems possible that they werent wrong about the leak and actually the misdirection came from those trying to censor that discussion.
.

Urmstongran

tickingbird

Who do you imagine is controlling what you think or say?

Rather childish of you growstuff

When the pandemic began there was plenty on this forum about China and their lack of openness about how it started. Many were roundly condemned and slated for expressing negative views on them. Doubtless you were one of them.

Well remembered.
Trump was roundly called out on here for calling it ‘the Chinah virus’.
He knew it. Most because they didn’t like HIM distanced themselves from his comment.

Is that the same Trump who has called Putin “A genius”?

tickingbird

^Who do you imagine is controlling what you think or say?^

Rather childish of you growstuff

When the pandemic began there was plenty on this forum about China and their lack of openness about how it started. Many were roundly condemned and slated for expressing negative views on them. Doubtless you were one of them.

Well remembered.
Trump was roundly called out on here for calling it ‘the Chinah virus’.
He knew it. Most because they didn’t like HIM distanced themselves from his comment.

Anybody who believes in "political correctness" and thinking somebody needs to approve of "playing nice" obviously believes in some kind of controlling thought police.

tickingbird

growstuff

Well, this child would like to know who you think is controlling you.

I have no idea what you’re talking about. I haven’t spoken of anyone controlling me.

That doesn't make me childish. It means you don't understand what I mean.

nanna8

Gingster

At the start of the pandemic, I saw a young female scientist being interviewed on tv. She had been working in the Wuhan laboratory at the time of the outbreak.

She was 100 % certain that the virus had leaked from there. She escaped to the Uk as she was being ‘hushed up’ and wanted to tell her truth. Never been heard of since,

And we think the Russians are bad …..

nanna08 one of your daft politicians, Annastacia Palaszczuk, has given the Chinese a 99 year lease on an island off the Queensland coast.
They have already thrown the local residents off the island.

And, I should add that there is no evidence that the item has been sent from China when it arrives. I think they are repackaged here in the UK then posted out to the buyer.

Not buying anything from China online is difficult. Especially on Ebay, The seller leaves a uk address {as in Urmstongrans link) but then the item takes an eternity to arrive. At no point in the advert is China mentioned. Unless companies like Ebay actually insist on transparency from their sellers, I can't see how it can be avoided.

Galaxy

If you call people stupid which is what your post was about it generally is a disaster, i.e Brexit.

I called nobody stupid and I never would.

I said that some people were easily led.

The world today is riven with misinformation and misdirection. I'm sure there are old women in Russia today saying that they knew that Ukraine was full of Nazis.

The article is about the strengthening of biosecurity standards. It also includes a re-hash of old news and quotes from people none of us have probably ever heard of confirming what they think is the situation regarding the origin of coronavirus. Maybe it is a lab leak, maybe its not, I don't know and neither does anybody on this forum. So the conclusion that this is new news and should be on the front pages is unjustified, but plays to people's fears and prejudices.

So I would never call anyone stupid, but if they are being manipulated and falling for the disinformation in the press, I'm going to tell them so. Because nobody did that strongly enough before Brexit, and look where that's got us.

Now people can get all defensive and pretend that we should give everybody's views equal prominence, and that by pointing out what's wrong we're taking a superior position. Well if folk can't work out the truth for themselves, somebody needs to tell them.