You’d think this news would be front page‼️

So, its 12:37 today before someone tell us that we need to "do our research".

Rand Paul... is that the Tea Party member who said Obama was un-American?

SAGE haven't been stood down, despite what the Telegraph tells you. They're just not meeting so regularly. Modelling isn't guesswork. its...modelling .

Got any other pieces of fake news you'd like to share with us, that one of us can demolish for you?

Urmstongran, there's a tonne of stuff that's been kept 'behind closed doors'. Like the fact that Dr Fauci had been using US taxpayers money for years to fund gain of function research in the Lab in Wuhan. Hundreds of emails between Fauci and his pals confirming this. A US sen. Rand Paul has been on Fauci's back for months.
If you get all your news from the UK msm and the Guardian, you need to do some serious research. Did you also know that SAGE has been stood down because they acknowledge that all their 'modelling' is guesswork?

Don't chastise yourself Grumpygran I enjoyed reading your explanation.

Desire

Dean Koontz's book "The Eyes of Darkness” - science fiction novel published in 1981 references a fictional “biological weapon” called “Wuhan-400” . Interesting read...

Apologies for resurrecting an old thread (I've been away from GN for a few weeks), but I had to correct the claim that Dean Koontz predicted Covid.
Koontz's virus was nothing like Covid - it killed within hours by destroying internal organs and left no survivors.
And, in the original 1981 edition, the virus was named "Gorki-400" after the Russian city; that was changed to "Wuhan-400" in the 1989 reprint. Presumably that was because the Cold War was drawing to an end and Russia was no longer the enemy; the Wuhan reseach laboratory was already quite well known and there were predictions that China would become the new world power.
So not really a prediction.
I'll try to keep up with threads in future!

Yes I know. First hand experience, remember?

volver

Got any links?

Not all scientists think Climate Change is man made.

But the sensible unbiassed ones do.

Google is your friend. I haven’t got time to trawl.
Scientists do not always agree!

Ro60

29volver

So whose opinion shall we lean towards?

'We' don't need to lean either way. We are all entitled to.our own opinions.

Yes absolutely. But if you post that the moon is inhabited by little green men then I think you will be rightly challenged

29volver

So whose opinion shall we lean towards?

'We' don't need to lean either way. We are all entitled to.our own opinions.

But the people who brought us the success which is Brexit told the electorate to ignore "the experts" Urmonstongran.

Urmstongran

I’m sticking with mine. Not all scientists think the wet markets were the cause! I’m with a different set of experts.

Which experts are they?

I suspect they emanate from the far right in USA.

Got any links?

Not all scientists think Climate Change is man made.

But the sensible unbiassed ones do.

I’m sticking with mine. Not all scientists think the wet markets were the cause! I’m with a different set of experts.

So whose opinion shall we lean towards?

Innumerable scientific investigations and views from trained microbiologists, or a bunch of random folk posting on social media with no facts at all but a lot of suspicions drawn from the Right Wing press?

I think we have to realise that nobody can be 100% certain on this.

Well I stand by my opinion because if it was from the wet markets they opened them up again PDQ didn’t they!

IT WAS NOT A LAB LEAK. (Yes, @volver, apparently we do need to shout.)

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/coronavirus-wuhan-market-chinese-lab-studies

"The studies released on Saturday were co-authored by scientists in the US, South Korea, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, the UK (Oxford, Edinburgh and Glasgow), Canada, the Netherlands and Belgium."

Why do so many people believe conspiracy theories, and information from unreliable sources (and I include our prime minister there)?

Ah, songstress knows! She's always stated it!

WWM2's daughter and all those other scientists are wrong.

Songstress knows! She just knows!

I have always stated that this virus is China's fault but in the past I was shouted down and called racist. I think it was deliberate to thin the elderly population in China, but nobody dares confront China about it, because sadly they rule the world!

I have always understood that the virus came from almost certainly the wet market. The reason being my daughter a micro-biologist and genetic engineer has always maintained this to be the case, with an explanation that I have now forgotten.

The right wing in the USA say the silliest things don’t they?

Of course at the moment they, along with Murdoch , Trump and Fox News are supporting Putin.

You notice that the Murdoch press isn’t doing the same - that it because we are not so gullible in the U.K. and have far largely more sense then to believe the nonsense.

But frankly it matters not now from whence the virus came, what matters is that we continue to fight it with all the tools we have.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/26/coronavirus-wuhan-market-chinese-lab-studies?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

US studies

Were these researchers Chinese by any chance?

From the New York Times today:
“ BREAKING NEWS
Two major scientific studies point to a market in Wuhan, China — not a lab in the same city — as the birthplace of the coronavirus pandemic.
Saturday, February 26, 2022 2:55 PM EST
Researchers concluded that the coronavirus was present in live mammals sold in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China, in late 2019. The research suggests that the virus very likely twice spilled over into people working or shopping at the market.
The researchers said they found no support for an alternate hypothesis that the coronavirus escaped from a lab in Wuhan.”

I agree this has been mentioned before and the Chanel 4 program well worth a look.
But with an over populated world more pandemics will be on their way and we have to trust the advance in vaccines will help us.

Tamayra - is that you Vladimore?

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