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vegansrock Thu 24-Feb-22 07:14:01

Seems like the measly sanctions haven’t frightened Putin, surprise surprise. What will be our circus of a government here’s response? We need to build bridges with the EU and have a combined response with the US.That would mean a different government here, I fear, as this lot have burnt too many bridges. Can’t wait to see Liz Truss in her fur hat issuing threats.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:20:53

With all due respect Whitewavemark2 why Please stop it ?

If by pointing out something that all of the Western World is agreed on annoys you, maybe stop posting tweets that cannot be acted on.

DaisyAnne Wed 09-Mar-22 13:24:10

Whitewavemark2

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The Kyiv Independent@KyivIndependent·10h⚡️Foreign volunteers will be able to obtain Ukrainian citizenship if they want to, First Deputy Interior Minister Yevhen Yenin said on March 9.

Twenty thousand foreign volunteers have joined Ukrainian forces to fight Russia since March 6.

Wow.

DaisyAnne Wed 09-Mar-22 13:26:11

GrannyGravy13

With all due respect Whitewavemark2 why Please stop it ?

If by pointing out something that all of the Western World is agreed on annoys you, maybe stop posting tweets that cannot be acted on.

Fairly obviously "All the Western World" do not agree.

Why do you think you have a right to limit free speech?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:26:56

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne don’t flatter yourself there is absolutely nothing you can do to make me wriggle

As for your naivety, where would you like me to begin?

I will try this for a start, you are assuming that all that is going on in Ukraine is in the open domain totally naive.

Dangerous? yes whipping up fear with unfounded speculation people dying of starvation and/or freezing to death Dangerous for folks mental health and moral.

Any other demands ?

You are not debating or arguing. You are simply being personal.

1. Nothing I said put anyone in danger and I resent you saying it did.
2. You are now quoting things I said after you accused me of being "naive and in some cases dangerous" as evidence for the reason you said it. You are, in fact, wriggling.

You were insulting and I had said nothing to deserve such a comment. It seems when you are unable to debate you turn to abuse. I have not demanded anything from you but I did not deserve such an aggressive attack.

You asked, I answered.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:30:11

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

With all due respect Whitewavemark2 why Please stop it ?

If by pointing out something that all of the Western World is agreed on annoys you, maybe stop posting tweets that cannot be acted on.

Fairly obviously "All the Western World" do not agree.

Why do you think you have a right to limit free speech?

So it’s Ok for Whitewavemark2 to tell me to please stop it which is stopping my free speech?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:34:01

GrannyGravy13

With all due respect Whitewavemark2 why Please stop it ?

If by pointing out something that all of the Western World is agreed on annoys you, maybe stop posting tweets that cannot be acted on.

But that isn’t true is it? The entire world doesn’t agree with that decision. Not even NATO is entirely in agreement. .

And I’m not annoyed
Disagreeing is entirely different..

I will never choose not to re-post stuff from Ukraine, unless it is too upsetting or in poor taste or I suspect is false.

They are entitled to have their voices listened to.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:36:58

I would still like to know why you told me to please stop it
Whitewavemark2 ?

Or do you think my opinion not as valid as yours?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:37:02

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

With all due respect Whitewavemark2 why Please stop it ?

If by pointing out something that all of the Western World is agreed on annoys you, maybe stop posting tweets that cannot be acted on.

Fairly obviously "All the Western World" do not agree.

Why do you think you have a right to limit free speech?

So it’s Ok for Whitewavemark2 to tell me to please stop it which is stopping my free speech?

My request for you to stop it was to stop trying to limit my posts. By all means carry on trying to limit my posts, but you will be wasting your time.

That is my last post in the matter. It is getting boring and unnecessary.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Mar-22 13:41:19

Whitewavemark2 I have never tried to limit what you post, I was just commenting on your post. Which is surely what posting on an online forum is about?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 09-Mar-22 14:05:08

I was told to please stop it in a post at 13.14.52 today.

So for questioning why and what I should stop, I am in receipt of a pile-on from several posters.

For clarity I am as worried about the situation in Ukraine as the next person.

DaisyAnne Wed 09-Mar-22 15:19:47

A "pile on" which comprised to two people you got off the guidelines personal with. Really GG13?

I'm sure the point has been made. I am not about to bring the free world into danger and WWM is can continue to voice her opinion and, with a bit of luck we can all get back on topic.

karmalady Wed 09-Mar-22 15:42:34

chernpbyl giving cause for concern. Last radiation `explosion` affected mostly belarus, russia and sweden. Lately china has been building a massive solar park near chernobyl, they will not be happy

Callistemon21 Wed 09-Mar-22 15:45:34

karmalady

chernpbyl giving cause for concern. Last radiation `explosion` affected mostly belarus, russia and sweden. Lately china has been building a massive solar park near chernobyl, they will not be happy

It did spread further than that karmalady but we were not fully informed.

karmalady Wed 09-Mar-22 16:05:26

yes I know it did spread further than that but please note that I said mostly. Only a little came our way

If you have been to iceland, their igneous rock is very radioactive as I measured on a geiger counter, the icelanders are not dropping like flies. We have a fair amount of background radiation in the uk about 84% from natural sources and maybe 15 % from medical practice. Good to be aware and not to worry too much at that word `radiation`

I only put my last post in for information, that russia has more to worry about than we do and that maybe at last, china will start to have some influence on putin

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Mar-22 18:34:15

Oz Katerji
@OzKaterji
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Enjoying the last open bar in Kyiv with friends,

Callistemon21 Wed 09-Mar-22 19:34:42

karmalady

yes I know it did spread further than that but please note that I said mostly. Only a little came our way

If you have been to iceland, their igneous rock is very radioactive as I measured on a geiger counter, the icelanders are not dropping like flies. We have a fair amount of background radiation in the uk about 84% from natural sources and maybe 15 % from medical practice. Good to be aware and not to worry too much at that word `radiation`

I only put my last post in for information, that russia has more to worry about than we do and that maybe at last, china will start to have some influence on putin

The fact that Welsh farmers were not allowed to sell Welsh lamb for 30 years afterwards is telling:

In total, 344 Welsh farms were put under restrictions, with animals' radiation levels monitored before they were allowed to be sold at market.

The number of failing animals peaked in 1992, but some still recorded higher levels of caesium as recently as 2011.

'Abnormal lambs'
A year later, the authorities decided the numbers were then insignificant and there was no reason to continue the monitoring. This saved the taxpayer about £300,000 a year.

Some farmers were in favour of further monitoring, if only to maintain the public's trust in Welsh meat, but the majority approved and welcomed the end of a long saga that started 1,500 miles (2,414km)away deep, in the former Soviet Union.

The following years were still full of concern for many Welsh hill farmers.

"Every farm has some abnormal lambs born, but I believe that for the first years after Chernobyl there were more abnormalities in the lambs," Mr Roberts said. "I have no evidence, but that is what I feel."

We were not told the full facts.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 09-Mar-22 21:42:08

Yes that is right. We have never been told the full truth.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 10-Mar-22 06:51:42

Oz Katerji
@OzKaterji
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3m
Good morning, this is Kyiv calling.

Last night Russia bombed a maternity clinic and children’s hospital. While Russia targets civilians, Ukrainians risk their lives to protect & defend one another.

Kyiv’s defences still hold.

We are still here.

We will remain here.

MerylStreep Thu 10-Mar-22 07:29:56

Whitewavemark2

Oz Katerji
@OzKaterji
·
3m
Good morning, this is Kyiv calling.

Last night Russia bombed a maternity clinic and children’s hospital. While Russia targets civilians, Ukrainians risk their lives to protect & defend one another.

Kyiv’s defences still hold.

We are still here.

We will remain here.

Is this another maternity clinic or the same one that was reported early yesterday.
Your post states last night

25Avalon Thu 10-Mar-22 09:12:04

The latest fear is chemical or biological warfare. Putin is telling Russians this is what Ukraine is planning, so if Russia does so it will be in response. We need to stop flyovers and stand up to Putin. How can we stand by and watch what is happening? How far are we going to let his atrocities go?

lemsip Thu 10-Mar-22 09:51:23

breaking news;

Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich, Oleg Deripaska and five other Russian oligarchs worth £15bn have assets FROZEN by UK and are banned from travelling to Britain for having 'blood on their hands'

lavendermine Thu 10-Mar-22 10:17:14

Good I am glad.
This is the most dreadful situation, I dread hearing the news.

Iam64 Thu 10-Mar-22 11:03:27

It’s terrifying in truth. Putin will do exactly what he wants. I’m beginning to believe we have to close the skies

25Avalon Thu 10-Mar-22 11:37:44

Chelsea FC aren’t allowed to sell tickets for their games either so Abramovitch cannot profit.

marymary62 Thu 10-Mar-22 14:02:15

Close the skies and escalate to a total European war with millions dead and the prospect of nuclear weapons being used ? It’s horrifying . Diplomacy and peace is really the only way forwards . Peace at any price rather than war at what cost ?

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