Julia Hartley-Brewer v Stella Creasy

Jacinda Aherne is not holding her baby she obviously has someone who knows the baby and the baby knows them.

At 13:35 I posted a picture of Ardern holding her baby at the UN meeting. Not that it's in the slightest way relevant.

Got any more barrels to scrape?

Regarding Ursula Von der Leyen the saying Jack of all trades etc springs to mind.

Iam64

This is a dispiriting thread. Feels like going back in time where interview panels could ask if you planned to have children. Well, they could ask females that, it wouldn’t enter their head to ask men.
I was asked at interview in 1981 who was at fault in my divorce

goodness, did you let them have both barrels, or bite your tongue very hard! What an absolute nerve!

sodapop

Regarding Ursula Von der Leyen the saying Jack of all trades etc springs to mind.

Jeezy peeps.

"Renaissance woman" is what springs to my mind.

(Btw, I don't rate her leadership of the EU, but I don't stoop to insults)

Iam64

This is a dispiriting thread. Feels like going back in time where interview panels could ask if you planned to have children. Well, they could ask females that, it wouldn’t enter their head to ask men.
I was asked at interview in 1981 who was at fault in my divorce

I was prepared to answer questions about childcare arrangements when I sat before an interview panel in 1985.

No-one asked me but one did ask very odd questions. Presumably Bad Guy (actually, he wasn't, he turned out to excellent).

I was prepared to answer questions about childcare arrangements when I sat before an interview panel in 1985.

Was your partner?

Unless I am going cross-eyed Jacinda Aherne in the photo that comes up on my screen is definitely not holding her baby and it is with someone who it is not distressed with.
None of you have answered my question of what you consider jobs where babies can be taken along. Come on scrape your barrels and find something.

Ardern.

Jobs? PM of NZ, maybe?

You could take your baby to work if you were working in a workplace nursery.

Coastpath

What's interesting though is that organisations that choose to provide crèches experience easier recruitment of a wider, better qualified and experienced selection of candidates. Those candidates tend to stay with the company longer, take less sickness absence and are happier and more productive in the workplace.

If this information was more widely distribution, known and understood perhaps employers would be fighting to be first to provide or subsidise these services and there would no need for them to be forced to do so.

What is good for employees often pays back dividends for employers.

I noticed yesterday that Ursula von der Leyen has seven children as well as being a physician and President of the EU. She took time off to be a stay at home mum in the 90s and has still achieved all she has. Women are incredible.

I thought this information was very well known.

The problem is there are always people who want to make life just as hard for others as it was for them.

I don’t get the impression any of us are suggesting babies go to work with a parent during every working day, more that flexibility is essential. Of course it depends on the type of work. An MP voting at 1 am whilst carrying or feeding her baby is only ridiculous because the HoC keeps unusual hours. I accept of course that may be needed in National emergency (now for example) but surely not as a matter of course

I returned to work on several occasions when on mat leave because my work needed me to. Once I was back from mat leave, my manager was happy to be flexible about hours . You get far more from your workforce thst way

The point isn’t about taking your child to work. The point is that MPs are not entitled to maternity leave like other employees are. How on Earth will we get more women in parliament if having a baby means you have to be separated from birth in order to represent your constituent’s views?

‘ Currently, as MP are deemed to work for the public, there is no formal recognition that MPs take MP maternity leave and employ a locum to cover their work. Whilst they can take leave for six months and allocate a proxy to vote on their behalf, there is no provision in place to hire a replacement to cover your role. As such, if an MP is on extended leave their constituents’ views will not be represented in debates in Parliament as there is no provision for a locum to cover the role.’

didlaw.com/parliament-and-maternity-rights-mp-maternity-leave

Not many of us could (or would want to) take a baby to work on a regular basis, but neither is it reasonable to expect employees to be available 24/7. If I had been called into work at 1.00 am and my husband was working, I would have had to take my children - what else would I have done?

Nobody can seriously expect parents to employ permanent full-time staff on day, afternoon and nightshifts on the off-chance that they will have to go into work in the middle of the night - who could afford to do that? My husband and I had it off to a fine art. He covered when I couldn't, and vice versa (and remember that working parents also ferry children from A to B, collect them from places and do all the things that SAHPs do). We had a nanny for a while, and other types of childcare as they got older, but it was organised on the assumption that we knew at least roughly what our working hours would be from day to day.

When things came up, such as either of us needing to go away on business, we worked around that as we had advance warning, but if we had been confronted with an unexpected need to be in the workplace at 1.00am, we couldn't have left the children at home - they would have had to come in. If I was away and my husband was in charge, he would have had to do it too - or tell his employer that he couldn't attend, and the same would have applied to me.

The difference in this case is breastfeeding, but the same applies, as someone would have to be with the baby to do the feeding, even if milk had been expressed and left in a bottle.

Your photo is not the one that came up when I clicked on your link it was on the chap to the left's knee.
I have had to take two children with me to my husband,s work when they were tiny to take a bleep in he had forgotten. I lived with someone who was on call sometimes 24/7. Luckily this has been changed for women but still they could not do their job if they had children with them.

Scroll.

It's an article.

I thought SC had two children. Who was looking after the other one and why couldn’t they also look after the baby, feeding it expressed milk? All done just to make a point.

How easy is it to produce adequate quantities of expressed milk, hours ahead of when it's needed?

One of my female partners did it, never heard her whingeing.

Oh well that’s alright then

God I hated expressing, loathed it, I probably did lots of whinging.

So those two stories prove the square root of nothing.

Of course its done for a point. She's an MP conducting a campaign about conditions for working women and she is using her personal experience to highlight it.

FarNorth

How easy is it to produce adequate quantities of expressed milk, hours ahead of when it's needed?

Nae bother. The more suction the more milk is how it works with babies or breast pumps if you've got a supply going well in the first place.

volver

Of course its done for a point. She's an MP conducting a campaign about conditions for working women and she is using her personal experience to highlight it.

This seems likely and worth a try so she deserves credit for that.

Germanshepherdsmum

I thought SC had two children. Who was looking after the other one and why couldn’t they also look after the baby, feeding it expressed milk? All done just to make a point.

Some children won't take milk from a bottle anyway. My youngest refused and would spit out the teat. He went straight from breast fed to a feeder cup.
I suppose if the baby was starving after much yelling and screaming it might accept a bottle, but really is that a good way to treat a baby?