Anyone think that Putin's war will spread across Europe and beyond?

The danger of the war spreading into Europe has been clear from the start of the problems with Russia over Ukraine back in 2014, when Putin occupied Crimea. Since then Western countries have been doing everything they can to avoid it .

Successful negiotiations are dependent on both sides being prepared to negotiate. Does anyone think Putin is willing to negotiate?

Putin was hoping NATO would close the air space over Ukraine and monitor it with aircraft from their air forces. Either a Russian aircraft would be shot down, or Putin would say one had, with photos etc to prove it. He would then declare outright war on NATO. He would use nuclear war heads and Britain would be one of the main targets, together with Germany, France and the USA. Do not forget how close North America is to Siberia.

I think as that is not working, his next ploy will be to use battle field nuclear arms or thermobarric artillery in Ukraine. He has already used cluster bombs. All these contravene the Geneva Convention and other rules of war and an official enquiry into his war crimes has already started.

In Russian terms, Putin is an old man. Average life expectancy of a male baby born in Russia today is 68 years. Putin is 69. Healthy life expectancy is 58

Putin is obsessed by his place in history. So far it is as the leader of a declining country; economically stagnant, less and less important in world affairs and completely over taken by China.

He knows the time he has left him to make a mark in history, is limited. His focus now is now on rebuilding Russia as it was in its heighday, when the Ukraine was in integral part of 'Mother Russia'. He is a rat caught in a trap, he has nothing to lose, and knows no moral limits to what he can do to get his own way.

So, Bea65Putins war will spread to Europe and beyond. The only people who can stop it are the people around him.

I don't know the source of the quote, but I fear that it is true " the rich and the powerful order wars, but it is the poor and the powerless who pay the price "
Imagine my dismay on learning that my daughter and her family, in Norway, have been administered iodine tablets to take in the event of high radiation levels....

Think they are too afraid of losing their money and status Oldbat to say nothing of being brain washed.

Kind of puts Covid into context, all this, doesn't it?
That’s something else that worries me….all those poor people crowded together in undergrounds with no masks.

Keep hoping that he will be assassinated and it will take place very very soon. He is mentally deranged. He is a mass murderer. A war designed by himself for himself. Surely some of his generals have the wherewithal to do it.

Meeting organised by the EU in Brussels.
Liz Truss refusing to mention the main partner attending - the EU - nor the place where it was held - The European Council.

This is just like Russia, not mentioning the war etc. I would hope that people in the U.K. are not so gullible as some Russians appear to be.

DiscoDancer1975 That's exactly what my Dad said last weekend: that Putin's terminally ill so he's wreaking havoc on the world before he goes.

I don't think it's true, but if it is, let's hope it's a rapidly-spreading disease.

It's not just our government that is weak - it is the whole of NATO according to Zelensky. I feel for him, I really do, watching his country and his people being destroyed with the rest of the world just watching on and doing seemingly very little.

But what a Catch-22 situation to be in. What is to be done, apart from sanctions, without throwing the West into a nuclear war?

Kind of puts Covid into context, all this, doesn't it?

With Putin assassinated many lives will be saved, which is the priority before anything else can be addressed.

It will be extremely difficult to get close enough to wipe him out and I think the only chance of that happening, out of those who are close to him, one staff member has a change of heart with the realisation Putin would have no qualms about using nuclear weapons regardless of the possibility the west would likewise retaliate aiming at Russia.

Putin has little or nothing to lose so I very much suspect that this is just the start. I cannot see how he’s going to be stopped and even if he’s assassinated he’ll have others following on.
Poland, Estonia, Finland, Sweden Sweden?
We’re impotent when a madman is on the rampage.

I've no idea, but whatever it is, it won't be good that's for sure.

And now Putin has likened sanctions to a declaration of war. So what does he mean with this comment?

Claus von Stauffenenberg and other conspirators did try to assassinate Hitler in 1944,(operation Valkyrie). The bomb went off but it didn't kill him although he was badly shocked and was slightly wounded. The plotters were rounded up and in all 7.000 arrested, 4,800 executed either by shooting or hanging by piano wire!

I’ve had this feeling from the beginning.....so absolutely nothing to attribute this to, that Putin is terminally ill. So he just doesn’t care. His only concern now, is to be in the History books as a great leader of Russia.

If Putin was assassinated would there not be other like-minded Russian commanders waiting in the wings to take over from him? Waiting for their moment of glory perhaps?

When President Macron spoke the other night it sent a chill through me. After he has spoken with Putin he said it was only going to get worse.

NATO closing airspace would be lighting the blue touch paper.

I just hope someone is plotting something. This can't carry on. NATO won't close air space so what more can be done?

I've just seen a heartbreaking photo of a little boy, 18 months old, who has been killed. His devastated parents are stood over his bed in the hospital. A medical worker has sunk to the ground.

Would Putin really start a nuclear war, world wide? Only one way to find out I suppose and I hope we never reach that point.

MerylStreep

GSM
I think they could have been in there before the invasion ?

Totally agree plus US and other NATO special forces. They are all in situ no doubt.
Man is a total loose cannon, my worry is he's not adversed to Chemical weapons, we only have to remember Salisbury.

They work in mysterious ways.

GSM
I think they could have been in there before the invasion ?

Karmalady
I’ve been aware of Bill Browder for some time. GB News gave him a lot of airtime last week.
I was surprised as there are many who believe that GB News is backed by the Russians.

I don’t think it will be a single government deciding anything unless the US get trigger happy, which I sincerely hope they won’t. I would have been more than worried if Trump were still in power.
Any outside action to take out Putin would be a special forces job. Ours are world leaders. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the SAS are in Russia already.

President of Ukraine must be holding his head in his hands. He is desperate for Nato countries to come to his aid and we are terrified of starting a nuclear war so our hands are tied. I just hope that this doesn't make Ukrainian people turn against the West in years to come. My heart goes out to him and his people and I also feel for western leaders in the most dire of situations ? ? ? ?

MerylStreep

GillT57
I hope our Mi6 are involved but certainly not the CIA.
They haven’t covered themselves in glory in some covert operations.

True, good point. They have a history of getting rid of inconvenient leaders, including their own if the theories are to be believed.