Anyone think that Putin's war will spread across Europe and beyond?

Thousands of people have been arrested at protests across Russia against President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

Russia’s interior ministry said more than 3,500 people had been arrested: 1,700 in Moscow, 750 in St Petersburg and 1,061 in other cities. The ministry said 5,200 people had taken part in the protests.

The OVD-Info protest monitoring group said it had documented the arrest of at least 4,366 people in 56 cities.
Some Russian state-controlled media carried short reports about Sunday’s protests but they did not feature prominently in news bulletins.

JacquiG

It seems Zelensky has funds in the Virgin Islands (from the Pandora papers), and is a graduate of the WEF Global Leaders Programme. I'm not encouraged by this. Are we being played?

No we're not.

Next question?

Mummer

GrannyGravy13

NATO in my opinion will not get involved soldier-to-soldier .

EU is still purchasing Gas from Russia, particularly Germany which gets 40% of its energy from there.

U.K. gets between 3-4% gas from Russia, as unpalatable as it may be regarding the green agenda perhaps it’s time to start fracking to tide us over until we can rely 100% on green energy. If we had our own gas supply we would also have control of the price.

Well USA don't care about 'greening up' neither does Russia......we do so we don't produce our own dirty fuel.....we buy it from others...the dirty fuel so I guess that doesn't count? So hypocritical! Massive russian coal mines still churning away ,same in China and what do we all do in happy clappy Europe? Shut off all our home grown capacity in the name of greening ...then simply buy EVERYTHING we need form the countries who don't give a hoot , carry on mining and pumping , and make mahooooosive amounts of money from all their filthy manufactured goods by selling them to clean and fragrant Europe!!! It would be funny if not so disgusting!!

Mummer Germany still mines for dirty coal for its electricity production and heavy industries.

GrannyGravy13

NATO in my opinion will not get involved soldier-to-soldier .

EU is still purchasing Gas from Russia, particularly Germany which gets 40% of its energy from there.

U.K. gets between 3-4% gas from Russia, as unpalatable as it may be regarding the green agenda perhaps it’s time to start fracking to tide us over until we can rely 100% on green energy. If we had our own gas supply we would also have control of the price.

Well USA don't care about 'greening up' neither does Russia......we do so we don't produce our own dirty fuel.....we buy it from others...the dirty fuel so I guess that doesn't count? So hypocritical! Massive russian coal mines still churning away ,same in China and what do we all do in happy clappy Europe? Shut off all our home grown capacity in the name of greening ...then simply buy EVERYTHING we need form the countries who don't give a hoot , carry on mining and pumping , and make mahooooosive amounts of money from all their filthy manufactured goods by selling them to clean and fragrant Europe!!! It would be funny if not so disgusting!!

A sensible precaution. If no potassium iodide, then see kelp.

It has the potential to go global. It's like watching WW2 start again. For now I think Putin wants the old USSR back, so he won't stop with Ukraine. Will there be a second Russian Revolution? I hope so. They have done it before. I hope the Russian military will turn on him. Perhaps we in the West and NATO countries must take a deep breath and surround him with our tanks and missiles now. God help our leaders . What dreadful decisions to make, and, as ever, in these situations I don't think we know the half of it.
The other bully in the playground is China. If Putin gets away with it then they will take Taiwan. Then what will they do?

It seems Zelensky has funds in the Virgin Islands (from the Pandora papers), and is a graduate of the WEF Global Leaders Programme. I'm not encouraged by this. Are we being played?

If Putin doesn't stop at the Ukranian border he will get the full might of NATO on him

As Mike Tyson said"everyone has a plan until they get punched in the Face" and the Ukrainian people have done just that. The issue is how panicked will poo tin become and what reckless action will be take in his panic? Nothing but nothing has gone to plan so far thank goodness shopping list: drones drones fighter jets(russian made so familiar to Ukraine pilots) drones, satellite phones anything and everything they need short of kicking russian arses ourselves. And btw how has Rita chakrobati managed to get onto Ukraine overnight? And more to the point WHY?!?!?!?

NATO in my opinion will not get involved soldier-to-soldier .

EU is still purchasing Gas from Russia, particularly Germany which gets 40% of its energy from there.

U.K. gets between 3-4% gas from Russia, as unpalatable as it may be regarding the green agenda perhaps it’s time to start fracking to tide us over until we can rely 100% on green energy. If we had our own gas supply we would also have control of the price.

Terrible things happening and heartbreaking indeed -but only if you have a heart which poo Tin has none! Saw an interview with a Russian woman maybe mid 60s watching russian TV news and journalist asked if she believes the news that says all reports of atrocities and civilian attacks were fabricated and faked by Ukrainians? She replied "yes of course" when asked why? She replied" Russia would never attack civilian targets and never invade" why? She was asked "because the government said they wouldn't" it's nigh on impossible to get it through to older gens that Russia is corrupt, starting war in Europe, prepared to slaughter innocents in process. Another young woman said her own father yelled at her and called her a liar when she tried to explain what was going on where she lived in Ukraine,she was very upset and slammed phone down in anger and frustration at his stupidity. They won't believe their own children , preferring to trust the corrupt government. No hope.no hope at all of getting the truth in there when they refuse to believe their own eyes!!!!!

The man is unhinged and I would put nothing past him and his cronies. How can some people in Russia agree with that lunatic. That young gymnast with the Z sign around his neck with such a defiant look on his face, if that's the mind set of some Russians god help us all. ?

halfpint1

However, his face has changed considerably of late for some reason be it Botox, steroids, or doubles with different eyes

The doubles with different eyes would wear coloured contact lenses anyway, surely?

I expect he's had a facelift, Botox or whatever, to try to appear young, strong and invincible.
Botox is a neuro toxin ? someone could get the decimal point in the wrong place.

Using force = starting WW3 crazygranny. Is that really what you want?

Putin cannot be allowed to succeed. We have seen what was done to Chechnya. If he isn't stopped now when his forces are weakened by this conflict and morale is low and he is so very clearly in the wrong he will simply regroup, reform and hit Moldova with double the speed and force. I'm afraid this is our Poland 1939 and with no firm punch back, no country in that part of the world is safe. We can only hope for internal opposition, which seems to be growing, to weaken him further. Otherwise, it's down to countries like ours to band together and use force.

Exactly this

Bill Browder
@Billbrowder
This is one point that nobody is talking about. Even though Russia’s military budget is equivalent to the UK’s approximately 80% of it is being stolen by corrupt generals. Now we’re seeing the practical results of that as Russia’s flailing invasion is going into its 11th day

The problem with Russia is historically they can survive without the West but we don't seem able to survive without Russia's grain, fertilizers (cheaper food production), oil, gas, billionaires money pumped into London banks and the rest. Therefore the western world needs to tread carefully with Putin or he can pull the plug on all of us and we cannot afford the prices that will come from that.

Germanshepherdsmum

You got there before me volver. This is getting to be like Dad’s Army.

More like 'Allo 'Allo.

DiscoDancer1975

I’ve had this feeling from the beginning.....so absolutely nothing to attribute this to, that Putin is terminally ill. So he just doesn’t care. His only concern now, is to be in the History books as a great leader of Russia.

Funny you should say that. I heard a passing reference the other day that he’s suffering with terminal bowel cancer and doesn’t care. Probably just one of those rumours that goes around. It’s also said he has Parkinson’s although that isn’t fatal.

Keeper1

I worry that the misinformation being fed to the Russian people that they feel Europe is to blame and harsh sanction will turn the people against us and pro Putin.

I’ve just been listening to a radio phone in with Russian people living in the UK. Nearly all of them said they can’t talk to their family back in Russia because they all believe in what they’re being told and it’s causing all sorts of fall outs with family.

What level of atrocity does Putin have to commit before there is any intervention?
He is winning. Not losing.
The West are frightened of him because we know he would rather detonate a nuclear bomb than lose. And we have a NATO excuse for not intervening.
So we cheer Levensky for his bravery but ignore his desperate pleas for help.
Allowing Putin to take Ukraine. and then?

What I’m most terrified could spread here to. UK long before before Russian soldiers is nuclear fallout, likely accidental from one of the power stations.

You got there before me volver. This is getting to be like Dad’s Army.

I opened another google account and have been leaving restaurant reviews (5 stars) on google maps. A lot of people are doing it.

And what if the Putin regime links the restaurants that are having these fake reviews with anti-Putin protesters in Russia and decides they need to be taught a lesson?

Honestly, think things through, for goodness sake.

And with friends where it helps him he doesn’t have to worry.

Welsh newspaper
^Labour has accused the Government of giving Russian oligarchs a “get out of London free card" by still allowing them six months before foreign-owned UK property needs to be registered under new plans. The Government’s Economic Crime Bill is due to be debated by MPs on Monday, and ministers have already put amendments forward to reduce the time given to comply with new rules from 18 months down to six.

But Labour said this would still give oligarchs linked to Russia too long, and instead this should go down to just 28 days. The Bill is designed, in part, to try and help tackle the swathes of Russian money thought to be in the UK.^