Boris and the Ukraine.

Russian money was behind the Scottish separatists in 2014

Isn't that what you said?

But it didn't mean that "Scottish separatists" were being supported by Russian money? Then my understanding of the English language must differ from yours.

If what you meant to say was that the referendum was influenced by Russian propaganda, I wouldn't have argued with you. But "Russian money was behind the ...separatists"? Can you not see the difference??

The next time somebody accuses the independence movement of maligning the opposition I'll show them this thread.

It should be obvious that I am not suggesting that you personally were in receipt of Russian money volver, only that Russia did interfere in the process on your side of the argument, as has been conclusively proven.

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scottish-independence-russia-attempted-influence-2014-referendum-reveals-report-2919234

www.digit.fyi/report-shows-russian-interference-in-scottish-independence-referendum/

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-independence-referendum-russias-involvement-22390827

Alex Salmond is a disgrace.

Yes it was varian.

I thought about this overnight.

I am I guess what you would call a "Scottish separatist" and I take very great exception indeed to you suggesting that Russian money was behind my campaigning in 2014.

I have no doubt at all that Russian influences were behind some of the more extreme trolling around independence. I also suspect that there was Russian influence behind the destabilising messages around what would happen if there was independence. But to suggest that it was the Russians controlling the people who wanted independence is just unacceptable. Its unacceptable because you are implying that the people who wanted independence were being managed by foreign agents.

I wish people would think about what they are posting before they say ridiculous things.

The Russia report found that Russia did interfere in the 2014 Scottish referendum on the side of separating Scotland from the rest of the UK. They also actively promoted Alex Salmond by giving him his own show on RT. We are lucky that their efforts failed.

If only they had failed in 2016, we might still be in the EU and accepting refugees unconditionally like all the other EU countries.

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I hope that post is not a response to mine volver

Oh please just stop it. You're rambling.

Given that the first statement you make is so egregiously bizarre, how can we believe the others? And please stop calling me a separatist, its hugely insulting in today's environment.

In a time where we have people like Zelensky fighting for freedom for his country, making silly claims isn't a good look.

I think we already know the power of Russian money.

Russian money was behind the Scottish separatists in 2014 - fortunately they failed to break up the UK.

Russian money funded Brexit in 2016- unfortunately they were successful in dragging the UK out of the European Union.

Russian money got the Putin puppet Trump elected to the US presidency in 2016.

Russian money has funded the Tory Party for a very long time- unfortunately that kind of money talks.

Does anyone still believe that the Russians have the best interests of the United Kingdom or the West at heart?

Casdon

I don’t understand why you are making unfounded allegations about David Baddiel tickingbird. You may not like him, but that doesn’t mean he is no good. The BBC commissioned him to do a documentary last December, which was excellent. He’s also a mainstay of Horrible Histories, appears on panel shows like Mock the Week etc., does tours etc. etc. Best to drop it I think.

If we see David Badiel’s name on a programme we make sure we watch it.

Obviously we have very poor taste!

tickingbird this is getting ridiculous.

This is what an unfounded allegation is:
Unfounded: where there is no evidence or proper basis which supports the allegation being made. It might also indicate that the person making the allegation misinterpreted the incident or was mistaken about what they saw. Alternatively, they may not have been aware of all the circumstances.

Your opinion is not fact, it is your opinion. Saying that it is generally accepted that DB is a failed (badly) comedian is unfounded. It’s as simple as that.

Doodledog

When this is all over (soon, I hope), there should be a root and branch investigation into where Russian money has gone over the past 20 years, what it has paid for and who has benefited. That should include questions about where the money has gone between sanctions being announced and the date they are applied, with explanations of why they couldn't have been applied earlier.

Completely agree.

(I did post a similar post a couple of days ago)

When this is all over (soon, I hope), there should be a root and branch investigation into where Russian money has gone over the past 20 years, what it has paid for and who has benefited. That should include questions about where the money has gone between sanctions being announced and the date they are applied, with explanations of why they couldn't have been applied earlier.

GillT57

Floriel

I’m glad Boris is in charge right now. I can’t see any other politician of any flavour being as decisive.

Now that is comedy

Delighted if it gave you a laugh GilT57. God knows we could all do with one right now. I was being entirely sincere though.

Casdon. I made no unfounded allegations. Anyone would think I accused him of being a sexual predator or similar. I stand by what I said. Shame it’s such an issue for you when there are far, far more important things in the world, especially at present. Maybe you should accept that I’m entitled to my opinion on DB. You rate him, I don’t. That’s fact not an unfounded allegation.

She did stand. I think she's just tiny and always wears flat shoes too.

….not when he was speaking but when they gave him a standing ovation….

Johnson said that we were going to stop getting oil from Russia but that isn’t until the end of 2022. Did Patel remain seated when Zelensky was speaking or is she just very short?

25Avalon

Ailidh I know what you mean. I have found some Mrs B’s Bs very funny but rarely watch these days. I liked it where she said she’d been to elocution classes where she learnt to say ‘That’s nice” instead of “f*ck off.” That became a catch phrase in my circles. So Putin my message to you is “That’s nice.”

Oh, I love it! There's a woman where I live who drives me mad! (Too long and boring a tale). I would never say fck off to her face but often feel like it. Now I can just smile and say, "That's nice!". Love it!

I’m sure he has or will thank every country who are offering support to Ukraine, unfortunately for him that’s what he has to do now. I really feel for him.

Well President Zelensky just thanked Boris for all his help personally.

Floriel

I’m glad Boris is in charge right now. I can’t see any other politician of any flavour being as decisive.

Now that is comedy

No. He is a disgrace, the Tory party has had so much money donated to them by the Russian oligarchs. These oligarchs will have to register UK-based property in a bid to prevent them from shifting their assets out of the country but BJ has given them SIX months to shift their money out of the country overriding Labours 28 days.

Humour is subjective. Not all of us laugh at the same things

I rather like Russell Brand but I know that a lot of people think he's rather awful.

Which is fine really.

I like DB. I don't like MBB. I love reading The Daily Mash, but appreciate it's not everyone's cup of tea.

As for a comedian as PM I think I'll go with Jack Whitehall

Other comedians are available.

As for the OP, yes, I do think that Boris's bacon may have been saved. For now. Any mention of cakes and parties are rather absurd at the moment. In my opinion.

Ailidh I know what you mean. I have found some Mrs B’s Bs very funny but rarely watch these days. I liked it where she said she’d been to elocution classes where she learnt to say ‘That’s nice” instead of “f*ck off.” That became a catch phrase in my circles. So Putin my message to you is “That’s nice.”

This is off topic I know but what do you think Dave Allen would have made of Johnson (and the current situation)?