Boris and the Ukraine.

No

Absolutely.

We won't forget, 'though.... and hope that he will be held to account at a latter date.

Yes - an awful event overshadowing his problems may encourage him to think we will all forget about his lies, incompetence and corruption.

No idea it all depends on his back benchers and their collective backbones (or lack of)

No. I think there’s more to come about Tory/Boris direct involvement with Russian oligarchs that will nail him down.

He's not done much as far as Ukraine is concerned, has he?

Yes, the UK has provided some manpower and weapons, but we're not actually 'at war', so he can't prance about being leader of a nation at war, as Thatcher was.

The UK response to welcoming Ukranians fleeing from the war has been abysmal and the imposition of sanctions has been lukewarm. Not to mention the tory party being heavily subsidised by Russians, many of whom are on other nation's sanctions list but aren't on the UK's.

And his approval rating is till rock bottom in the polls.

So no, I don't think he's going to get a bounce from this crisis at all.

Yes, in so far as the focus of news has, of course, moved away from No 10.
But the reports are pending and so is the judgement of the backbenchers - and then an election, so in the long term, so I think he'll get his comeuppance in time.

No.

This was discussed this lunchtime.I tink on R4, and the consensus conclusion on the exact question you asked was 'No'

With Mrs Thatcher, British territory was attacked and she responded successfully. Boris is just a bit part player, in someone elses war.

White washing a wall is only temporary it does not eliminate what is underneath.

The horrific attacks on Ukraine have of course focussed everyone on trying to prevent all out War in Europe . It’s given Johnson the opportunity to sound Prime Ministerial and diverted attention from genuine concerns about his performance as PM
The complex and murky relationships between the conservatives and Russia are yet to be fully understood. Can’t imagine full disclosure will benefit Johnson or his party

Definitely not. He’s even had his toddler hair cut to look more statesman like, but it doesn’t fool most. He’s still the same shallow inept character as he was as foreign secretary in May’s government, and it’s quite worrying that our future is in his hands.
I wonder whether we’ll ever get full disclosure Iam but it’s rather concerning.

The complex and murky relationships between the conservatives and Russia are yet to be fully understood. Can’t imagine full disclosure will benefit Johnson or his party

I'm trying to imagine what this will mean for our country as a whole. The world knows that our ruling party has prostituted itself to Russia. How do we unravel that and find a way to hold our head up high again?

I hope that Boris's demise is merely delayed by this and that he will go swifty followed by his party.

I think Maggie saved The Falklands. Doesn’t look like anyone least of all Boris can save Ukraine.

The Conservatives have prostituted themselves to Big Money, wherever it comes from.

The dangers of Chinese money occurred to them a couple of years ago, when the dangers of heavy Chinese investment in electronic equipment and the nuclear industry occurred to them after it looked as if China might dominate both industries in this country.

The dangers of big Russian money have taken longer to strike Mainly, I suspect, because most Russian Oligarchs were making so much money in their own country, we were seen merely as a good country to launder money and live lives of excessive spending and where they could schmooze the ruling party to make sure that they kept everything working in their favour.

i am cynical enough to believe it would have been the same, if Labour had been in power, Plenty people there who would have been more than happy to jump on the gravy train.

I think we will have to wait and see but I think he will bounce back as we move out of the pandemic. Much of the Western world will be knocked sideways by inflation due to various factors at play so any Brexit downsides (maybe less than some fear?) as such will be difficult to extrapolate. In the short term he’s lucky to have Ben Wallace (ex Scots Army) as his wingman as Minister for Defence - he could still have been listening to the hapless Gavin Williamson.
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The people we hear on news programmes are generally experts in their field. The contrast is palpable.

As for Brexit, this tragic situation has shown how much of a small cog we are compared to the EU and US. The idea that we set a lead in any way is not just laughable it is irritating. Johnson could talk about us all working together but he has to come up with the unbelievable idea that he is a leader. We have seen the difference between leadership and dictatorship and that shows us, if we need to be shown, where Johnson sits in that spectrum.

No. It’s ironic IMO that we have IMO the lease competent and capable prime minister in the history of this country landed with a pandemic and now a potential world war.

I respectfully beg to differ regarding the UK’s input. I have checked sources across several newspapers (some of which I do t usually read) and I’m proud and impressed by our massive involvement in so many ways.
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Do think that Johnson must thanks whoever is his guardian angel for this war in Ukraine. So timely for him. Provided, of course, nobody digs too deep as to where so much Conservative money had come from.

But he just cannot stop himself from lying -
Even now - In this weeks PMQ’s the PM claimed: (Britain has) taken more people fleeing theatres of conflict since 2015 than any other country in Europe.
Fact
Germany took more refugees in a single year (2019) than UK did in in 6 years from 2015 to 2020.
France has taken 3 times the number PM is claiming for UK in the same period.
Then a repeat of that old lie that this government is building 48 new hospitals. Fact: most hospitals claimed in this figure are rebuilds or renovations. The actual new builds are so from the planning state, it will be years before they are built.

Urmstongran

I respectfully beg to differ regarding the UK’s input. I have checked sources across several newspapers (some of which I do t usually read) and I’m proud and impressed by our massive involvement in so many ways.
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Got any links?

Incidentally, in your other post - there is no "Scots Army".

The conflict has put things in perspective. In the UK we are free, well the press is free, to campaign against the government because they may have had a glass of wine in lockdown ... compared to a country that has a 'strong leader'. Putin has sent his country into war for his own personal ideals but will lock up any citizen for 15 years for saying so! Partygate might have given government opponents opportunity to challenge the integrity of Boris and his party ... but I am left thinking Partygate is so trivial in light of what we could have!
Boris held the helm and steered us through COVID and so far I am happy with his leadership in the current crisis. Still praying for a swift resolution in Ukraine.

Apologies volver calling it Scots Army. It was sloppy and lazy shorthand on my part.

From Wiki:
“Wallace attended the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, before he was commissioned in 1991 into the Scots Guards.[4] From 1991 to 1998, he served in Germany, Cyprus, Belize, and Northern Ireland, rising to the rank of captain. During his time in Northern Ireland, he was mentioned in dispatches in 1992 for an incident in which the patrol he was commanding captured an entire IRA active service unit attempting to carry out a bomb attack against British troops.”

Apology accepted Urmstongran

Got any links or evidence to support your other assertions?

I think my standards are slightly higher than well at least hes not Putin.