What a surprise, Harry’s not coming.

'Dishonourably' is the perfect word eazybee. A former member of the armed forces, let alone someone born into the royal family, should understand what honour is.

So, if he were to come to the UK without additional security, attend the memorial service and then return home completely unharmed, would that negate his court case?

I'm just glad I won't have to be irritated by his scowling presence.

He clearly has no concerns about his safety at the Invictus Games and as it's his 'baby' I hope it fulfills his expectations and gives the competitors the experience they've worked hard for.

Then I hope he buggers off returns to his mansion and desists from his constant whingeing and litigious behaviour.

I stand by my comment about Harry questioning whether he is using his absence to support his court case or he is a coward.

He enjoys far more protection in this country, when he is here, than the average citizen, many of whom served in the military and would be considered appropriate targets, as was Lee Rigby.

Whether or not he was a good soldier is irrelevant. Now that he has chosen to leave the royal family he is not entitled to the same level of protection and must take his chance with everyone else.

In my opinion, which I am entitled to express, he is behaving most dishonorably.

I don't know how Charles or the rest of the family feel, but I can imagine. I know what it's like to be estranged from a son and only GC. I know what it was like for my mum and m.i.l. not be able to see their GCC, and for my mum her only GCC.

Awful, hurtful things have been said about us and our family, thank goodness not to the whole world but it's bad enough, so what H & M have done to his family and her father must be so much worse.

To answer your question in your OP maddyone, no I'm not surprised. I'd be surprised if he ever had any intention of coming.

Harry hasn't meant to have done anything volver, he's being judged on what he has done. He isn't suspected of trashing and betraying his family, he has trashed and betrayed them.

I'm with both of you GSM and maddyone as a parent/grandparent, as a royalist and as a Christian. I would try hard to understand, even to forgive, but the thing I would dislike most is the spreading of untruths about members of my family and saying there will be more revelations about my and my husband's parenting after my death. That's why so prolonged is a good description. There is a never ending turning of the knife by Harry on his family.

Enjoy your dinner volver.
We’re waiting for son number two and partner and grandson to arrive for tea. I’ve made a cake ?.

GSM and maddyone, thank you for answering. I'm cooking right now but I'll make a longer answer later.

You’re right volver, I am projecting what I might have felt had my child decided to trash my character on television (I’m not certain anyone would actually be interested in me as I have no claim to fame and no outstanding achievements) but I’d probably try hard to forgive him/her. I think Charles will also try to forgive Harry, but I’m not sure that the rest of the family will forgive and forget. What Harry and Meghan did would have been profoundly upsetting to the rest of his family. It is almost unbelievable that anyone would do this to their family, but believe it we must, because it happened. Harry has shown he has little respect or love for his extended family because if he had, he simply wouldn’t have allowed it to happen. No one trashes a family member that they love and care about to the local paper, never mind the to the whole world. The one thing I will say is that Harry had the grace to look uncomfortable and embarrassed at some points in the interview. These were the points when Meghan was speaking about things that have subsequently been shown to be at best misunderstandings, at worst lies.

volver, I know you don’t have grandchildren (nor do I) but if you did, imagine your grandson and his wife going on a chat show and saying deeply hurtful things about your family, and saying he is writing a book which won’t be published until after your death. That can only mean that said book will contain unpleasant observations about you and perhaps your late husband.
I also know you’re not a royalist but those of us who are feel his betrayal of members of the royal family on an illogically personal level. I don’t expect you to understand that but I’m doing my best to explain, in answer to your question, why some of us are so shocked by his behaviour that we can’t let it go. It’s as if it were yesterday and he just carries on digging at the UK, for instance with his legal action against the Home Office. If he and his wife were to disappear into the private world they said they wanted I’m sure those who criticise them would be delighted. But they won’t let that happen because publicity = $$$.

But maddyone, why so prolonged? I asked this question above.

And with all respect, you don't know how Charles feels, or any of the rest of them. You are projecting what you think must be happening, on to them.

I just don't understand the prolonged hatred. If I had a child who was a suspected sex criminal, I'd feel worse about him than about whatever it is Harry's meant to have done

Ladyleftfieldlover I haven’t seen any press coverage of Andrew that is in any way sympathetic towards him.

You appear to not understand why Harry and Meghan get bad press. It’s because of of the interview with Oprah. Would you like your child or relative to go on television and slate you for everything you’ve ever done?
I don’t understand how anyone can’t see what a horrible and disgusting betrayal that was to Harry’s family. It’s actually almost unbelievable to me that there are so many posters who cannot understand the word betrayal. You just don’t do what Harry and Meghan did. You just don’t! I’m not even a royalist but I can see the profound hurt that Harry’s family must have felt. That betrayal causing that pain will never go away for them.

I do hope that somehow Prince Harry can privately make a huge effort and somehow get himself to visit his grand-mother at Windsor who I am sure she would love him to call in for a visit. At the fantastic age of 95 years who knows how much longer the Queen will be around it would be good if he could remember that and do what is right for a change.
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So do I, but then, having read the other thread about visitors popping by unexpectedly and Gransnetter's reactions, I have a vision of members of the Royal Family throwing themselves on the floor and hiding if Harry knocks on the door.
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I think we can judge what we have heard him say about his family, our royal family, without having met him.

But why so often GSM?

All the time, over and over, the same things, the same comments, the same assumptions...

And it does seem to get worse over time. Some of the things said about him today are despicable.

Why does it have such a long life? Because they appear in the news? Because they are having a life that so many people disapprove of? Because they are considered to have "let us down"?

Jane43, I had my tongue in my cheek when I wrote what I did and I did not even know about the rodeo thing. I am a climate change puritan and a rodeo puritan too. I sincerely think PH seems quite a nice boy but very rich people can be morally eccentric. Anyway, he is young yet and has stuff to learn.

I think we can judge what we have heard him say about his family, our royal family, without having met him.

I am not disappointed in Harry. I’m disappointed in a certain section of the British people who have never met him or spoken to him who think they can judge him. At least he went to his grandfather’s funeral which in my opinion is the main event. When he and Meghan and his family do return to the UK, I won’t envy them one bit. Every expression will be analysed, the tabloids will employ lip readers… what I don’t understand is why Andrew, who has caused far more angst, is getting a reasonable press.

The Queen has decided not to attend Commonwealth Day next week supposedly due to her mobility issues. It would be a lot of effort for her to manage on the day so best for her to let Prince Charles take over on the day. Prince Harry is not attending his grand-fathers memorial service as he has said that the U.K is too dangerous for him to come here, but it is okay for him to attend the Invictus Games in Holland.
I do hope that somehow Prince Harry can privately make a huge effort and somehow get himself to visit his grand-mother at Windsor who I am sure she would love him to call in for a visit. At the fantastic age of 95 years who knows how much longer the Queen will be around it would be good if he could remember that and do what is right for a change.

He has changed since Megan came on the scene, or has he ?

Was all this bitterness smouldering for years and she fanned the flames

I think Harry is storing up a big list of “things I wish I had/hadn’t done” for future regret when it’s too late to put them right.

The royal family are indeed a family and as such they will have their quota of family members who show them up. Prince Andrew is the most obvious I guess, but the Oprah interview was so utterly shocking that I can’t imagine Harry and Meghan will ever be fully forgiven for it, by some family members, or by some of the public. I can only think how I’d feel if one of my children were to give an interview on television slating just about everything about me. I’d be devastated, utterly devastated. But because it was my child, I’d probably try to put it behind me. I’m sure Charles will do the same (so long as Harry doesn’t bad mouth Camilla in the coming book, because that might well be the final straw) but other members of the family will not forgive anymore than they’ll forgive Andrew, in my humble opinion. Maybe I’m wrong.

Sorry volver, x post.

Actually I think it says Q4 2021. So Oct-Dec 2021.

Q4 2021.

Two months ago.

Why does it state 2021 at the top then?