Gender? Sex? Help me out please.

FarNorth

Let's have a little light relief by thinking about toilets again!

The Barbican now has toilets which are designated Disability, Male and Gender Neutral.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please let us know why you think that.

Surely that should come under sex discrimination as they're making less provision for women than men, and allowing men their sole designated area but no such area for women?

I really don't know why you are aiming this at me FarNorth I wasn't there and I don't believe I have ever supported or posted support for violence,
But there are quite a few people on here who think it only matters if the violence is aimed at certain people.

Because trisher your response to posts about the planned disruptive demonstration was :

Peaceful demonstrations are fine I've been on quite a few.

So I was commenting that it was not peaceful.

It wasn't unexpected that it would be so unpleasant. Demonstrations of that kind are a regular feature at women's meetings.
I have never heard of similar, or any, demonstrations at trans meetings. Have you?

In reply to your comment about violence only mattering if it's aimed at certain people - is there violence that you think is being disregarded?

I really look forward to hearing a defence of that policy!

I suspect we'll have a long wait, though.

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Let's have a little light relief by thinking about toilets again!

The Barbican now has toilets which are designated Disability, Male and Gender Neutral.
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea, please let us know why you think that.

Burnham, obviously

What was Andy Turnham doing in all this? Has he made his feelings known on the issue, or is he another who has been cowed by the TRAs?

These so called trans rights advocates are not a true representation of our citizens

My city too Ilovecheese and I'm ashamed to have them there. The only positive thing that the transactivist thugs did last night was to publicise their willingness to show violence and aggression to a roomful of women who wanted to talk about their FGM experiences, their childhood abuse and why single sex spaces are so important to them. But TRAs couldn't give a damn about them. It's what men want that matters and sod any one else. Manchester hang your head in shame.

My city is much better than this horrible demonstration. We are diverse and inclusive. These so called trans rights advocates are not a true representation of our citizens. Those poor women.

At best you are telling us what we think, which is abusive.

But there are quite a few people on here who think it only matters if the violence is aimed at certain people.
Who are you talking about here, trisher?

Please be clear, as it sounds libellous to me.

FarNorth

Big surprise trisher it's not so peaceful.

twitter.com/HanoverHussy/status/1507105132546297863

I really don't know why you are aiming this at me FarNorth Iwasn't there and I don't believe I have ever supported or posted support for violence,
But there are quite a few people on here who think it only matters if the violence is aimed at certain people.
I condemn all violence.
We had a lovely refugee demonstration on Monday. Music dancing, all sorts! No violence.

Disgusting or possibly pathetic behaviour. What some SM will do for their 5 minutes of fame.
Typical SM behaviour, but at least if he was doing it as an SM, he wouldn’t be damaging the reputation of genuine TW.

Tweet in response to a man who said he enjoyed being in the shouting mob.

Big surprise trisher it's not so peaceful.

twitter.com/HanoverHussy/status/1507105132546297863

Thanks Rosie51. I certainly won’t forget the information in your last paragraph. I’ve copied and pasted it on another site.

Ilovecheese

Loud and aggressive demonstration outside the venue of a meeting of "womans place UK" tonight in Manchester. Looks to be largely men. Police presence has been required.
Trying to drown out the voice of a young woman describing the horrors of female genital mutilation and the need for survivors to feel safe, among others.

Vile behaviour. It's always the same. Woman's Place UK are never allowed to hold meetings without threatening, loud demonstrations trying to intimidate. Men and trans allies, and some transwomen.

Just so we don't forget it was GagaJo a trans ally who labelled the transwoman the organisers of The Poet In The City festival invited to headline the event as " a nut job cis man ". They obviously believe the nut job cis man to be a woman as this event was by women to celebrate women.

Doesn't surprise me Ilovecheese; those pesky women just keep on forgetting that they need to shut up, move over, make room and be kind. They need to be reminded by men sometimes. Just in case they get any ideas that their opinions, rights and voices have any merit whatsoever.

Loud and aggressive demonstration outside the venue of a meeting of "womans place UK" tonight in Manchester. Looks to be largely men. Police presence has been required.
Trying to drown out the voice of a young woman describing the horrors of female genital mutilation and the need for survivors to feel safe, among others.

trisher

Ah so now I see the violence and threats that caused the cancellation were all imagined. Well that was probably because it was a women's event wasn't it? You do realise that. Whatever your views about the person invited- nut job, cis man, trans whatever, the women who put on the event have been silenced and apparently that's OK because they had the nerve to be trans friendly. Just goes to show here's another sort of wrong women. At this rate there'll be very few left who are OK.

Nobody said that, trisher. And as you know, the 'cis man, nut job' comments weren't from so-called GC feminists.

Mollygo

FarNorth

Here's a trans demonstration being organised, with the intention of disrupting a women's meeting.

And Twitter is a powerful machine for encouraging people to do things.
Will there be support on here?

Peaceful demonstrations are fine I've been on quite a few.

Ah so now I see the violence and threats that caused the cancellation were all imagined. Well that was probably because it was a women's event wasn't it? You do realise that. Whatever your views about the person invited- nut job, cis man, trans whatever, the women who put on the event have been silenced and apparently that's OK because they had the nerve to be trans friendly. Just goes to show here's another sort of wrong women. At this rate there'll be very few left who are OK.

FarNorth

Here's a trans demonstration being organised, with the intention of disrupting a women's meeting.

And Twitter is a powerful machine for encouraging people to do things.
Will there be support on here?

Here's a trans demonstration being organised, with the intention of disrupting a women's meeting.

Neither have I heard of GC demonstrations at trans people's events, even ones in the open air. I'm pretty sure that trans people would have publicised them if they did happen.
Yet we routinely hear and see trans people demonstrating noisily at GC events.

If JKR had been invited to take part in an event and that was moved on-line because she had been threatened and her safety couldn't be guaranteed would that be better?

Better than what?

If you mean better than the original event, yes for me it would be, if I wanted to go, because I live hundreds of miles from where most things take place.

As for the threats - we don't, of course, know who was making threats to any event which was cancelled or hired extra security.
We do know that there have been a number of actual, physical attacks on women by men (usually trans-identified men) at some women's events.
I have not heard of any actual attacks on trans people at their events or mixed events such as this.
Of course, others here may know better than me on that.