Violence at Stop violence against women march

Chestnut has posted a relevant link on the Gender thread, it’s to an article by Dominic Lawson in the DM. It’s worth a read. If I wasn’t so technically challenged I’d post it here. Maybe someone else can?

Iam64

The crown prosecution service reports that between 2012 - 2018, more than 436 rapes were committed by women. Rape is defined by the sexual offences act as when a person ‘intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person with his penis’
Those rapes were committed by men presenting themselves as women.

Thanks for that Iam64.

Those in the trans community who would not do that are appalled, both by the attacks and by those making excuses or saying, *Well, women can cause sexual damage too using an implement so let’s change the definition of rape so that no one will actually be able say that men or transwomen did it’.
The opposite is true. If people want to change the definition of rape, or actually if the definition stays the same, the records must also be changed to show rape by male, transwoman, transman or female, so that there is no mistake about which body of people are committing these attacks and they should be reported as such. e.g. transwoman Shirley Evil was imprisoned in the trans section of X mens prison today after being found guilty of raping a woman. At the moment you have to search for that information.

Unfortunately Iam64 these will be reported as female crimes when they are blatantly male crimes.

If anyone has a penis and testicles they are male, I am just amazed that this needs explaining to some?

The crown prosecution service reports that between 2012 - 2018, more than 436 rapes were committed by women. Rape is defined by the sexual offences act as when a person ‘intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person with his penis’
Those rapes were committed by men presenting themselves as women.

VioletSky, I did not seek or expect my post to carry any more weight than any other contributor's; I was simply responding to two posters' comments that so far no man had contributed to the debates.

Your assumption of what my expectations might have been as a member of the patriarchy, a membership that owing to my birth I cannot escape, perhaps sums up why so few men do join in.

Fools rush in where angels fear to tread should perhaps have been my watchword, but I prefer to think that fools rush in and get the best seats!

Thanks for your input, Grumppa?.

The more new voices on these threads the better, as they get very ‘samey’ when it’s the same posters every time. On the whole, I doubt that a man’s point of view is likely to differ from a woman’s (ie everyone has an individual point of view, regardless of sex), but it may be that different life experiences can offer a different perspective, or put a slant on things that those of us socialised and ‘living as’ women hadn’t thought of. Don’t go away?

Sorry grumppa to use you as an example , it applies to any man.

I dont discriminate unless you mean sex segregation is discrimination. I would tell grumppa that he cant come in womens spaces, this does not mean I hold him responsible for the actions of men. I would have the same expectations of grumppa as I would a transwoman, do you think I am discriminating against grummpa? I cant speak for men but I dont think most of them feel that sex segregation is discrimination.

Grumppa, I don’t expect you believe your voice carries any more weight than other posters. Thanks for contributing. For what it’s worth, all the men I share my life with share the concerns expressed by the majority on this thread.

The evidence of the damage that the way this is being discussed is doing is also there. I hope you watch the video until the end.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54486122

Grumppa I hope you will forgive me but I don't think your voice carries any extra weight as a voice for men in the debate in general because I believe in equality.

It's not really trans men that are being discussed but trans women.

The views on these threads aren't going to change but the biggest problems with those views aren't the issues that exist (they do).

The biggest problem is that every single thread is usually stating just one issue, yet every thread becomes about all issues, and starts to sound like an issue with trans people in general. All trans people are held responsible for all issues, for men mascarading as women and for the actions of those who take an extreme view. Which in my opinion is wrong.

This is also highlighted once again in the way trans allies are spoken too, because trans allies are held responsible for all the issues, are held responsible for men mascarading as as women and for those who hold extreme views.

Those are not fair reasons to discriminate against average, every day trans people or the people who want to make space for them.

Yet it is very incredibly obvious in these threads that it absolutely prevents any reasonable discussion or any hope of finding solutions to issues.

It's a shame

Thank you Grumppa your post means a great deal and is most welcome.

grumppa Thank you for your support. It was actually me who commented earlier in the thread that no men, to my knowledge, had posted on these threads. You doing so will hopefully encourage other men to do the same. And yes, you are one of the patriarchy but obviously one of the good ones ?

On behalf of women (females)
everywhere . . . well almost everywhere, thank you grumppa.

I can only speak for myself, Katie59, but I have not contributed to any of the threads dealing with trans issues because, first I do not know any trans people personally, although I have a distant cousin who is a trans man, and second because I would almost certainly be accused by some of the regulars of being an arrogant, mansplaining member of the patriarchy.

However, I have read all the threads as they have unravelled, and am certainly much better informed on a subject to which I had not given any thought except in literary contexts such as Gautier's Mademoiselle de Maupin. For what it is worth, I fully understand that many if not most women, as the word is commonly understood, feel the need for places where they can be sure that there are no men, and I support that point of view.

Men do not have the same need because they do not, being generally bigger and stronger, feel threatened by trans men. I certainly don't feel threatened, though I can imagine the occasional embarrassment.

For what it is worth, the women who want safe places, and who do not want to have their descriptor noun debased, have my full support.

My 2 gays neighbours want nothing to do with the trans movement; they won't attend the gay Pride rally in our nearest city for fear of violence breaking out - they're the most peaceable and quiet of lads. Pity when gay men and lesbian women are the people who originally set up the Pride movement but it's been hijacked by a small, but violently vocal, minority.

I like Arty Morty a gay Canadian man. He is a gentle soul who always says he's so glad his mother was a strong liberated woman. He was a very feminine little boy who these days would likely be pressured into transgendering. His mother was perfectly happy with the son she had, and totally accepting when he confirmed he was gay. It's no joke about 'transing the gay away'. Iran is the transgender capital of the world, why?...... because homosexuality is illegal, punishable by up to death. Transsexuals who have full reassignment surgery are permitted to register as the opposite sex, and then have a relationship with someone of the same biological sex.

Katie59 I’ve just posted on another thread about how I was delighted at my 19 year old g’son’s comment about LT.
I think the same as you about it being something heterosexual men don’t give much thought to, unlike gay men who do as they’re saddened by young boys being told they’re trans if they display any signs of opposite sex stereotyping. Eg. wee boys who want to play with dolls, wear “girly” clothes, etc. Instead of just letting a child do things like these, parents who are horrified at the thought of a gay son, may push them towards being trans girls. In other words, homophobia or “transing the gay away”. The majority of children who display signs of opposite sex stereotyping grow out of these wants/habits themselves if left alone and that applies to both sexes.
But then, homosexual men (and women) are told they’re homophobic because they are not attracted to/do not want to have sex with transmen (and transwomen) respectively.

Those are exactly my fears, Doodledog. Never mind sports, what about in the workplace? Think of all the effort that’s been put into getting women’s representation as MP’s up to 50% ending up with 25% women and 25% trans women. Same on the boards of companies and so on.

Wow ‘she enjoyed it’. Now where have we heard that before

I'd read about Fox being challenged, post fight, about why he'd continued to hit Brents after she was on the canvas and clearly very badly injured. Apparently he said "She enjoyed it".

I wonder where the allies are?

Chewbacca there is actually a video which made me feel sick, Fallon Fox was enjoying every second of pounding Brents' face, while she was pinned under him on the deck.. The referee had to pull Fox off from Brents. Fox tweeted how much they enjoyed smashing Brents' face. Something Fox shares with some other men that hate women.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202203/medium-27022-fallon-fox-before-after.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202203/medium-658776-eq1nohkw4aaz3-y.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202203/medium-330898-eq1nohkw4aaz3-y.jpg

I was unsure whether to post this here or on the thread regarding trans athletes but, as it refers to violence, this might be the most appropriate place:

Boyd Burton was an American heterosexual man. In 2006 he underwent gender reassignment surgery to become a trans woman and called himself Fallon Fox. In 2013 they became a professional fighter and, in 2014, entered into a fighting competition with Tammika Brents, a well established professional women's fighter. Brents suffered concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head in the 1st round. Brents said after the fight "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can't answer whether it's because she was born a man or not because I'm not a doctor. I can only say, I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right," she stated. "Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn't move at all in Fox's clinch.

Fallon Fox only fought in 6 competitions, of which they won 5.

Thanks Chewbacca. Excellent post. I’ve added it here incase it was missed earlier

Absolutely brilliant post @ 16.15 Doodledog;that's the future.
Crime stats can then be skewed to "prove" that male to female violence has reduced but, coincidentally, female on female violence has increased. Especially now that Those Who Know Such Things are adamant that women are physically capable of raping a woman.

Great post Doodledog

I live in hope that one of the anti terf group (as wrongly categorised by the activists and their support group) will acknowledge that it isn’t all rosy for women