Violence at Stop violence against women march

The Taming of the Shrew? love it Callistemon!

What did you see Chewbacca? Hope you enjoyed the play

The Taming of the Shrew?

What's the point? What personal satisfaction can a man get out of 'winning' a sporting event against women with such an obvious and unfair advantage?

You're right tickingbird it isscary.

We have to win Galaxy but that wont help those who are vulnerable and have been damaged.

What did you see Chewbacca? Hope you enjoyed the play.

Because we should know our place and be quiet and invisible.

It's called censorship.

Been out to the theatre and quite frankly, this thread has seen more drama than I saw on stage tonight! In all my years on GN I've never seen so many deletions. Now why would that be I wonder?

It’s absolutely appalling. Some of the stuff I’ve read since starting this thread is actually quite scary and hard to believe it’s being accepted. I have a few stories to tell but I can’t for fear of falling foul of the law. The general public aren’t aware of how ludicrous it has become.

You see I think we will win. I dont have much doubt about that. It will take years but you can already see it happening, and the ever increasing panic as people realise that women wont give in. But the damage that is done in the meantime to vulnerable women.

And just had an update email - a video of Baroness Nicholson speaking in the House of Lords yesterday - a truly horrible tale of a woman who was raped whilst in hospital, but this was denied by the hospital, despite CCTV, and witnesses. It has taken nearly a year for them to admit the truth that there was a self identified transwoman on the ward.

Dickens I only became truly aware of the TWAW, safe single sex spaces, etc, issues because of the abuse meted out to JKRowling for her totally non-transphobic remarks. It’s like going down a rabbit hole once you do start reading.
Have you read about Raquel Rosaria Sanchez, Kathleen Stock, Jo Phoenix and how many universities in the UK have become “captured’ by trans rights?
There are voices of both sexes, gay, straight and trans who have been “peaked” (the moment when you realise just how bad things are) for years, fighting to retain the hard fought for rights of women and gays and the safeguarding of children.
The interim Cass review, just recently released and the Nolan Report on iPlayer are both worth reading and listening to. It’s worth reading up on how Stonewall has changed over the last few years. Other names to read about are Ceri Black, Maya Forstater, Keira Bell. And on the trans activist side, there’s Grace Laverty, Katy Montgomerie, Adrian Harrop, Owen Jones, David Paisley.
Posy Parker (a very strong voice) is in the USA right now protesting about Lia Thomas competing in the women’s competitions. Lia was apparently very average a swimmer as a male, but as a transwoman (hormones only, no surgery), because of the advantages of having gone through male puberty, is literally lengths ahead of female swimmers. By being picked for every meet, he deprives a young woman who has trained from early childhood of a place. He changes in the same changing room as the rest of his team, and they have complained that he makes no attempt to hide the fact that he is a man. It has been suggested that the rest of the team refuse to train/compete against him, but the majority of them are on scholarships and would be flung out of both the team and Penn State Uni if they did as has been made plain to them by the Uni.
There’s screeds more I could write, but a lot of it has been already mentioned in this thread and others.

People who abuse are incredibly manipulative and it needs to be acknowledged and any changes that affect safeguarding need to be considered carefully.That isn't transphobic, it is just being sensible.
Abuse isn’t just physical either. Think of all the cancelling, deleting, no debate, alongside the people at the parade throwing things, and shouting things. All manipulation to stop people doing what is right.

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MichaelGransnet from GNHQ tickingbird.

Who’s Michael?

I keep missing everything.

Great post from Mollygo though.

25 deletions 5 of which referred to a post that had been deleted.

If debate is closed down because reasonable posters are having posts deleted then we might as well all leave and join Ravelry.

trisher of course no one is above being deleted. Today has seen a rash of deletions of people who don’t usually find them/ourselves in breach of guidelines.
Several including myself have said we are uneasy about posting as a result
It’s not healthy for debate to be shut down.

I know what that's like GG and it's horrible but don't be put off.

I have been on GN for four and a bit years, for the first time I am hesitant to post…

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True enough but one wonders why, when you look at the guidelines and none seem to have been broken.

Smileless2012

It's often the way though isn't it Dickens and I also feel sorry for those trans women who just want to get on with their lives.

These activists care nothing for them, they don't care if their actions turn public opinion against the vast majority of decent and kind trans women.

TBH trisher I've missed some of them but the ones I did see have left me wondering why they were deleted, and now we have respected and sensible posters worried about posting!!

GN moderators are much like god they move in mysterious ways, but blaming one of them really isn't fair. And no one is above getting deleted.

"misogynistic men" is very polite compared to what I've been thinking Iam.

It's often the way though isn't it Dickens and I also feel sorry for those trans women who just want to get on with their lives.

These activists care nothing for them, they don't care if their actions turn public opinion against the vast majority of decent and kind trans women.

TBH trisher I've missed some of them but the ones I did see have left me wondering why they were deleted, and now we have respected and sensible posters worried about posting!!

Good points Dickens, though I would say that because I agree. I like the way you conclude they want to enter the female world to own it. And yes the people who threaten to rape women to death aren’t women, they’re misogynistic men

JaneJudge

you are all very naughty women
know your place

My current place is on the sofa with a glass of wine watching Great British Menu ?