Do you shop at M&S? Please could you stop?

MaizieD

We should be rapidly learning to be less dependent on fossil fuels, GG13, not rushing to destroy the planet by releasing more.

So you didn’t read the last line of my post?

trisher

The links between HSBC who own M&S and FIBA who are also bankers and who aimed to be the third largest bank in Russia by 2021 are probably so well hidden even volver with her financial expertise wouldn't know about them. But the idea that bankers aren't involved that it is just a poor little British company and a little Turkish franchise should be vigorously questioned and examined. Because the bankers have been massively sanctioned they will no doubt need another way of keeping a foothold in Russia and FIBA could supply that. But first they have to stop the Russian shops closing and the economy folding.

Where do you get the idea from that HSBC own M & S from? I've just been searching and haven't found a reference to HSBC.

80% of the shares are owned by institutions. The 3 largest each own 7.5%, 7.5% and 6.4%. 16% of the shares are owned by private individuals, the largest being the Adderley Family, one of whom founded Dunelm.

Nobody on here has claimed that FIBA is a "little Turkish franchise". It really is no wonder that GNers are constantly disagreeing with you.

By the way - did you know that FIBA stands for the International Federation of Amateur Basketball?

On the subject of alternative energy, apparently sufficient planning applications have already been granted to supply the UK with alternative energy so the govt could give the go ahead quickly if they were so minded. The only problem with that is that companies would need govt money so perhaps it's not such a good idea. Too many cronies would claim to be energy experts.

M&S plc is linked to M&S banking owned by HSBC. M&S Bank is part of the HSBC Group. Marks & Spencer is a registered trademark of Marks and Spencer plc and is used under licence. FIBa is part of an international banking group among which is Credit Bank Europe a significant Russian Bank. The possibility that neither of these bodies would like to see the Russian economy collapse is surely evident?

Well done trisher.

You appear to have uncovered an international conspiracy.

I'd call MI6, if I was you.

(Credit Bank Europe are Dutch, but don't let that stop you.)

Getting desperate now.

What about the top ten shareholders of M&S. Shall we trace and lobby them?

Farzanah

What about the top ten shareholders of M&S. Shall we trace and lobby them?

Set trisher on it.

Do you shop at Marks & Spencer?
Yes.

Can you stop please?
Sorry, no.

When I first read this thread, I thought M&S has hundreds or thousands of stores in Russia, it turned out they only have 48 stores in the whole of Russia!

The implication that somehow M&S is responsible for the killing of Ukranian children is OTT, the taxes M&S paid to Russia from these stores is a drop in the ocean compared to the billions of money Russia received from Germany for oil & gas.

However, if enough people believe in this ‘propaganda’ and boycott M&S products, it could potentially lead to thousands of people in the UK and worldwide losing their jobs and homes through no fault of their own.

As panelists of Dragon Den would say "Sorry but Im out".

No one wants to boycott a company unnecessarily for all the obvious reasons. Surely M&S cd legally stop shops in Russia using their brand name. By doing so, over time, popular dissent could help take Putin down and subsequently end the war. If M&S did this, I for one, would more than support them in this country. Something similar occurred earlier with Macdonalds and Coca Cola. I believe they have stopped trading in Russia, hence they are now being supported in UK.

M&S don't pay taxes in Russia. They don't have any stores in Russia any more.

How many times....?

Och volver there are 'none so blind as those that will not see'! I sometimes think that some people just go on threads looking for an argument and will argue black's white if necessary. You're well informed and right in this case. Virtually everyone on this thread agrees with you. Thank you.

Thank you Aveline.

Its a worry though, isn't it? Generally? So many people on here with information about how trade marks work, how franchises operate, all that stuff, but we still get people saying they smell a rat and there's some kind of international conspiracy going on.

For me, it explains a lot about how governments manage to sow misinformation amongst the populace.

And also the anti government lobby. How gullible we all must be!

volver

Thank you Aveline.

Its a worry though, isn't it? Generally? So many people on here with information about how trade marks work, how franchises operate, all that stuff, but we still get people saying they smell a rat and there's some kind of international conspiracy going on.

For me, it explains a lot about how governments manage to sow misinformation amongst the populace.

Do you really not think then volver that the only people who come successfully out of any war are companies and bankers? (oh and millionaires)
www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2019/04/02/more-than-a-dozen-of-europes-wealthiest-billionaires-and-their-families-had-nazi-ties/?sh=2b3509fd6015
And bankers back both sides
www.quora.com/Who-were-the-secret-bankers-behind-World-War-I-and-World-War-II-How-did-the-countries-during-these-wars-finance-them-Who-gave-them-the-money-What-individuals
So perhaps questioning who is involved and what their interests are is valid.

I had already decided to boycott them as soon as I read in the paper that they are still trading in Russia, or allowing their name to be used.

So perhaps questioning who is involved and what their interests are is valid.

Absolutely.

And ignoring reality and coming up with spurious reasons for trying to bring down a UK business are not valid.

I'm being polite.

Bignanny2

I had already decided to boycott them as soon as I read in the paper that they are still trading in Russia, or allowing their name to be used.

Just read the thread.

Please. Just read the thread.

volver

^So perhaps questioning who is involved and what their interests are is valid.^

Absolutely.

And ignoring reality and coming up with spurious reasons for trying to bring down a UK business are not valid.

I'm being polite.

Nobody is trying to bring down a UK business just asking that they put a little more effort into distancing themselves.

Aye, whatever.

Nobody is trying to bring down a UK business just asking that they put a little more effort into distancing themselves.

What does that exactly mean? You want people to stop shopping there. If they heeded your polite request they'd be out of business. Thousands would be out of work. And my senior dog would starve as she only eats M&S pouch dog food.

I have been to M&S this morning and will continue to do so. There were no outraged people with banners outside.

Nobody is trying to bring down a UK business just asking that they put a little more effort into distancing themselves.

What does that even mean? If you're asking people not to give their custom to a business you're effectively asking them to boycott them. If you boycott a business you'll financially cripple it. If you financially cripple it there will be job losses. And all if that will have been caused because someone started a rumour that that business was complicit in providing services to a country who has started a war. But they aren't. It's a lie that's been proven to you repeatedly so why are you perpetuating this unproven rumour?

Just don’t waste your time any more volver, it’s nice out, just go for a walk.
My pet hate too is posters swanning onto a thread without reading previous comments…..
Repeat, repeat, repeat.

I don’t actually shop in M&S at the moment as I’m unable to get to the shop. I won’t be boycotting them though, for the reasons most people on this thread won’t be boycotting them either.

I won’t be buying any McDonalds or Coca Cola because I think they’re unhealthy crap.

Just back from my regular shop at M&S. Glad to see they were collecting for Ukraine by asking every shopper if they'd like to add a pound to their bill for their Ukraine collection.