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I think this will happen more and more

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volver Sat 19-Mar-22 18:34:30

One person says Manuel should compete as a man, another says Manuel should compete as a woman because people can't change sex and Manuel was born a woman.

Get your facts sorted out before you start with the indignation, eh?

FarNorth Sat 19-Mar-22 18:33:41

I'm sure the female boxers will be happy to get in the ring with Manuel.

If Manuel has not been taking testosterone, I'm sure the women boxers will be fine with it.
I'd guess she probably has, tho

Why do you think Manuel shouldn't be fighting women, but Fallon Fox (a man) should be?

FarNorth Sat 19-Mar-22 18:30:33

Lia Thomas wasn't particularly outstanding before she became a woman, now she wipes the floor with women who as good as they are, don't stand a chance.

So if men who are performing well in the male category then decide to be women, the women's category will cease to exist for natal women.

FarNorth Sat 19-Mar-22 18:27:22

volver

Interested to know where we think this boxer should complete.

www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/31662608/boxer-patricio-manuel-transgender-pioneer-looking-next-fight

If this transman wants to compete as a man, she should do that. She will be no danger to any of the men, other than the usual danger of boxing.
A transwoman, competing as a woman, could pose a very great danger to women boxers.

I'm surprised you don't understand that, volver.

www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight

"Brents received seven staples to her head, and also suffered a concussion. She was overpowered by Fox to an extent that even the orbital bone inside her skull was fractured."

volver Sat 19-Mar-22 18:23:20

Here's some advice folks.

Don't question.

Don't have curiosity.

Don't have a different view.

Most of all, don't be a handmaid of the patriarchy.

I thought the suggestion about transgender categories was an interesting one but I'm sure you know best Galaxy. I'm sure the female boxers will be happy to get in the ring with Manuel.

Galaxy Sat 19-Mar-22 17:58:59

Thanks for showing us an article about a transmen volver. Do you think we havent seen a transman before. I think sport should be segregated by sex. How else do you poropose to segregate it.

BlueBelle Sat 19-Mar-22 17:17:22

I agree there should be a separate category
Look at the size of the person against the women
It’s very unfair

TerriBull Sat 19-Mar-22 17:13:29

Lia Thomas wasn't particularly outstanding before she became a woman, now she wipes the floor with women who as good as they are, don't stand a chance. I can't imagine how frustrating that would be, dedicating an enormous amount of time training for such events knowing that your best will never be good enough to surmount that of a person who has muscle power and a physique to power along way past any personal best achieved. Just to underline their disadvantage, I believe several of Lia's competitors have not been happy catching sight of her penis in the changing rooms.

Caitlin Jenner should be listened to as a former Olympic athlete she would have enough insight to make such a judgement.

Baggs Sat 19-Mar-22 16:31:15

I agree with Caitlin Jenner. In the meantime if women refuse to compete against male bodied persons, the competition organisers will lose out and change to fairness will happen faster.

I do understand women not wanting to miss taking part though after all their training and hard work.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 19-Mar-22 16:26:35

Personally I think that there should be transgender categories in all single sex sports.

volver Sat 19-Mar-22 16:19:36

Interested to know where we think this boxer should complete.

www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/31662608/boxer-patricio-manuel-transgender-pioneer-looking-next-fight

Iam64 Sat 19-Mar-22 16:15:19

The issue of trans women competing against women in sport is a real issue BlueBelle. You might have seen it discussed on several of the trans related OP’s

Its worthy of a thread of its own though. Caitlin Jenner who competed in the Olympics as a man before his transition, was reported to have said he’s opposed to allowing trans women to compete in this way because of the obvious differences in physical power and size. Caitlin Jenner recommends separate competitions for trans women.

BlueBelle Sat 19-Mar-22 15:55:02

news.yahoo.com/female-swimmers-beaten-transgender-athlete-172345249.html

This is going to cause so many problems in so many ways