He compared the "battles of Brexit" to those of Ukraine. If you can't believe your eyes, yes, he compared the "battles of Brexit" to those of Ukraine.
This speech was inexcusable. I saw it earlier and was horrified. Then you remember these are the tactics the New Right use - appealing to the lowest common denominator with Boris humour. This is the lowest he could sink. I can't see how anyone could find it funny but he was grinning away at the attendees.
They may have had to be seen attending to Covid, the cost of living crisis and the War in Ukraine but much of that, like Gove's temper tantrum, is PR designed window dressing. They were and still are only interested in politics, in winning the next election.
This wicked and immoral party will pretend Covid is over - goodness it's almost like no one died. Their MPs will tell you the only people who need food banks need to go out and get a job or increased hours. And although they will condemn the destructions of people's lives in Ukraine, they will do their level best to make it difficult, if not impossible, for them to come here.
Meanwhile, you can watch a very well made programme on Channel 4 tonight called "What if Putin goes Nuclear". At least some people are taking this seriously.
DaisyAnne
Just out of interest Urmstongran, how will you feel if it does turn out Brexit was "a Kremlin project. as has been suggested by many who know more than we do?
Russia had nothing to do with Brexit.
Certain corners of the internet have become obsessed yet again- with Russia’s supposed involvement in Brexit.
Putin is a vicious, petty tyrant but he’s not the Brexit bogeyman.
Urmstongran
Well I was wrong.
Maybe you don't understand it at all.
JenniferEccles
Although I agree that the PM’s words were somewhat crass and tactless, it’s perfectly obvious that he wasn’t making a direct comparison with the terrible events in Ukraine.
Everyone, surely, could see the point he was making about freedom and sovereignty, yet the Left of course has jumped on what he said with predicable outrage.
The PM is as horrified as we all are at Putin’s actions. He has condemned the invasion on many occasions over the past few weeks so there was no need for him to spell out the differences between Brexit and the situation in Ukraine because most of us understood what he meant.
Never mind. It does appear that some people positively delight in being outraged!
Wow! This is a text-book example of gas lighting.
JenniferEccles why did he need to make a comparison? It was always going to be seen as invidious.
Hartley-Brewer has been mentioned; she is a "hard Brexiteer". Senior Conservatives have also commented. Unless you use"the left" as a portmanteau description of everyone who disagrees with your view, it is not only the "the left" who have complained.
When you look at the outrage many feel, for the way he used the Ukrainians, it can only be that Johnson did not understand how offensive his remarks would appear to many, including Conservatives. Either that, or he didn't care. That makes him either a fool or a scoundrel or both.
Urmstongran
^Untrue. Any EU country was free to procure and roll out vaccines in any way they saw fit.^
Oh yes. I’d forgotten about Ursula Von de Leyen hastily (then regrettably) invoking Article 16....
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You know fine that had nothing to do with it, don't you?
Its the disingenuousness that gets wearing... ?
Great post Dickens
JenniferEccles
Although I agree that the PM’s words were somewhat crass and tactless, it’s perfectly obvious that he wasn’t making a direct comparison with the terrible events in Ukraine.
Everyone, surely, could see the point he was making about freedom and sovereignty, yet the Left of course has jumped on what he said with predicable outrage.
The PM is as horrified as we all are at Putin’s actions. He has condemned the invasion on many occasions over the past few weeks so there was no need for him to spell out the differences between Brexit and the situation in Ukraine because most of us understood what he meant.
Never mind. It does appear that some people positively delight in being outraged!
Yes … “ It does appear that some people positively delight in being outraged!”. On h and m threads for example….
But plenty on the right also shocked by his Johnson’s words,
GillT57
Just a quick reminder Urm. Despite your hero Jacob Rees-Mogg, Minister for Brexit Opportunities, using covid19 vaccination programmes as a massive benefit of Brexit, can I just point out that you voted to leave the EU in June 2016, just under 3 years before covid19 reared it's head so, at best, this was an accidental/unintentional advantage.
True indeed. But what an absolutely bluddy brilliant Brexit bonus! Icing on the cake indeed.
Untrue. Any EU country was free to procure and roll out vaccines in any way they saw fit.
Oh yes. I’d forgotten about Ursula Von de Leyen hastily (then regrettably) invoking Article 16....
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I am assuming you are not saying the generally more vulnerable by age never received a vaccination
Not at all DaisyAnne but my 86y old neighbour waited a further 14 months with others- all residents, all on a health centre ‘list’ - for hers. Some wait eh? She was frantic.
Just a quick reminder Urm. Despite your hero Jacob Rees-Mogg, Minister for Brexit Opportunities, using covid19 vaccination programmes as a massive benefit of Brexit, can I just point out that you voted to leave the EU in June 2016, just under 3 years before covid19 reared it's head so, at best, this was an accidental/unintentional advantage.
GillT57
Very careless mistake there Maudi. I really do despair, the information and evidence is there for all to see, the Brexit campaign was supported by and funded by Putin, and many high profile people were either in his pay, or too stupid to see they were stooges. So, anyone like to speak up for Daniel Hannan, Richard Tice, Nigel Farage, GB news, many of the ERG group, Johnson? Johnson is a blabbering liar, a self centred man obsessed with staying in power, he is not fit for the job, but to my mind, the worst aspect is that he is a security risk. Frankly, I think he should be arrested and charged with treason. As for Brexit, he was only the front man on that, the one chosen, god help us, to appeal to a certain group of the electorate, people easily swayed by false rhetoric, fear of 'others', people who read and believe certain newspapers, people who unbelievably, will forgive him anything, however appalling, however crass, because, well Brexit.
Brexit was a confidence trick. Certainly Russia backed it. The conclusion from that heavily redacted, damning report was that no evidence had been seen of successful interference because no serious effort was made to do so. In stark contrast to the US where an intelligence assessment was made within 2 months of the Presidential vote... and an unclassified summary, which was made public, was produced.
We are a chosen destination for oligarchs and their money - and no one will convince me that they have not become an unscrupulous force in our public life through their connections.
But Brexit is what we have. And any notions of re-joining any time soon are pie-in-the-sky. We could, however, have a better relationship with the EU, but with Johnson's constant anti-EU rhetoric, this is not likely any time soon. And to liken the Ukraine's plight, with people being blown to smithereens by bombs, to Brexit, is not only crass and insensitive... it's a clear indication of the man's determination to keep up the hostility towards the EU.
And to have seen photo's of men draped in the Union Jack, or its component, grinning with a beer in hand, and comparing them with Ukrainian men who've said goodbye to their wives, children, and family to fight (and possibly die) the Russian invasion which has already killed over 100 children... well frankly, Johnson's comment is nothing short of nauseating.
Power does not alter a man's character. It merely reveals it. (George H Smith, American author, educator, and speaker).
Out Here in Spain? Teachers. Paramedics. Police.
Front line workers but not elderly.
I think we were pretty amazing in the UK.
Why was that wrong Urmstongran? It's just a different choice of order and I would have thought a logical one. I would have been happy with that and prepared to protect myself until they got to the older age groups. I am assuming you are not saying the generally more vulnerable by age never received a vaccination.
Well being apart from the EU certainly helped us in the early days of the procurement and rolling out of vaccines Gill57.
Untrue. Any EU country was free to procure and roll out vaccines in any way they saw fit.
Cases per million in UK, 293,000. Cases per million in Spain, 242,000
Deaths per million in the UK, 2,387. Deaths per million in Spain, 2,174.
Explain to me again how much better we've done in the UK?
I don't expect anybody has accused Hartley-Brewer of being on the left lately.
Although I agree that the PM’s words were somewhat crass and tactless, it’s perfectly obvious that he wasn’t making a direct comparison with the terrible events in Ukraine.
Everyone, surely, could see the point he was making about freedom and sovereignty, yet the Left of course has jumped on what he said with predicable outrage.
The PM is as horrified as we all are at Putin’s actions. He has condemned the invasion on many occasions over the past few weeks so there was no need for him to spell out the differences between Brexit and the situation in Ukraine because most of us understood what he meant.
Never mind. It does appear that some people positively delight in being outraged!
Likewise, the nonsense about breaking free of the EU rule making, despite the number of times this was clarified, many people, including a substantial number of posters on here, chose to believe it.
Well being apart from the EU certainly helped us in the early days of the procurement and rolling out of vaccines Gill57. I was amazed how well the UK did at the time. It was Excellent.
Vaccines distributed age groups down. The brother of my stepfather, who was then 95y in December 2019, was the first person I knew who got a vaccine. The Most Vulnerable First.
Out Here in Spain? Teachers. Paramedics. Police.
Front line workers but not elderly.
I think we were pretty amazing in the UK.
I reckon all that viagra and whiskey has addled his brain
I think we should add, just in case anybody is in any doubt...
The results of that poll are probably made up by a politically biased organisation and spread on the internet to promote an untrue picture of Johnson's popularity. For what end, you'll all have to decide for yourselves.
growstuff
DaisyAnne
Cygnal serves GOP campaigns, committees, caucuses and center-right public affairs issue efforts with forward-thinking polling, analytics & targeting. [Source: www.cygn.al/]
Exactly! I Googled it too. There are multiple instances of the same quote with no explanations of polling methodology. This isn't a neutral polling organisation. The result is meaningless.
Yes, but if a report, however biased and unscientific, supports people's viewpoint, they will choose to believe it. Did anyone honestly believe the £350m to the NHS on the side of a bus? This figure was easily disproved by anyone who wanted to check, but millions didn't because it backed up their decision. Likewise, the nonsense about breaking free of the EU rule making, despite the number of times this was clarified, many people, including a substantial number of posters on here, chose to believe it.
DaisyAnne
^Cygnal serves GOP campaigns, committees, caucuses and center-right public affairs issue efforts with forward-thinking polling, analytics & targeting.^ [Source: www.cygn.al/]
Exactly! I Googled it too. There are multiple instances of the same quote with no explanations of polling methodology. This isn't a neutral polling organisation. The result is meaningless.
volver
DaisyAnne ?
I'm still struggling with the question about whether people in a Russian speaking place might call their babies Boris.
We probably need a ramdom thoughts thread. I'm always having them.
Very careless mistake there Maudi. I really do despair, the information and evidence is there for all to see, the Brexit campaign was supported by and funded by Putin, and many high profile people were either in his pay, or too stupid to see they were stooges. So, anyone like to speak up for Daniel Hannan, Richard Tice, Nigel Farage, GB news, many of the ERG group, Johnson? Johnson is a blabbering liar, a self centred man obsessed with staying in power, he is not fit for the job, but to my mind, the worst aspect is that he is a security risk. Frankly, I think he should be arrested and charged with treason. As for Brexit, he was only the front man on that, the one chosen, god help us, to appeal to a certain group of the electorate, people easily swayed by false rhetoric, fear of 'others', people who read and believe certain newspapers, people who unbelievably, will forgive him anything, however appalling, however crass, because, well Brexit.
DaisyAnne ?
I'm still struggling with the question about whether people in a Russian speaking place might call their babies Boris.
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