Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

I wondered! Thank you volver

Ohh, I love a mystery.

.al in their domain name?

Albania.

I do love the way they see the party that elected Trump as center-right and forward-thinking.

Cygnal serves GOP campaigns, committees, caucuses and center-right public affairs issue efforts with forward-thinking polling, analytics & targeting. [Source: www.cygn.al/]

Sadly for you, Maudi, Ukranians don't vote in UK general elections.

We have a far more realistic view of Johnson.

Oh, Cygnal!!

Cygnal is a polling and survey research firm serving center-right consultant, caucus, committee, political, independent expenditure, association, and advocacy organizations.

They sound unbiassed.

That's a cut and paste from Guido Fawkes, isn't it?

And funnily enough I can't find any corporate information about Cyngnal. Its almost as thought they didn't really exist.

How odd.

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While FBPEers try sniping the government at any opportunity, in the real world an astonishing poll puts into perspective just how well the PM’s handled Ukraine in the eyes of those who matter: Ukrainians.

The poll conducted by US outlet Cyngnal finds Boris’s net approval rating in Ukraine is second only to that of Zelenskyys, and is well ahead of Biden and Sholtz.

Zelenskyy: +79%
Boris: +49.6%
Biden: +25.8%
Scholz: +23.4%
Xi Jinping: -19.4%
Putin: -86.7%
The UK also stands as the most popular ally in all this, 14 points ahead of the EU and 23 points ahead of the US:

??: 56%
??: 42.2%
??: 33.3%
Nato: -16.8%
Following the Kosovo conflict, parents started calling boys Tonibler – will Boris be the new baby name de jour of Ukraine when all this is over?

I don’t think the average voter knows that much about politics tbh, just the very basics.
I include myself in that.
But thankfully everyone over 18 is allowed to vote which is how it should be.

Ladyleftfieldlover

My impression of the Tory party has always been that they put Party before Country, whatever the circumstances.

I'm afraid it is even worse. Some, including the PM and some MPs, put personal interest before both party and country.

I keep coming back to that word 'allegiance'. So different to 'patriotism' and so much more what we need. Seeing your country without the rose-coloured glasses and still showing loyalty, seems a much higher aim than flag-waving and shouting the odds.

The allegiance shown in Ukraine makes our leaders look very small.

Bless you Ug

Ladyleftfieldlover

My impression of the Tory party has always been that they put Party before Country, whatever the circumstances.

With apologies first to any sensible Conservative voters here, and I know there are many.

Isn't that kind of a Conservative thing? Everyone relies on their own resources, if you can't stand on your own two feet then that's your own responsibility? Devil take the hindmost...

lavendermine that’s no way to refer to*MaizieD*.
???

My impression of the Tory party has always been that they put Party before Country, whatever the circumstances.

Luckygirl3

There are many Tory MPs who are very aware of the damage that BJ is doing to democracy - I want to know what they are doing about it. It would seem they are biding their time - but how long?

... I think they are more worried about the damage to the reputation of the party TBH.

And I think it is that fact that will drive any no-confidence votes or change in leadership.

If they see they are losing the support of those that lent the party their vote to get Brexit 'done' - or keep Corbyn out, or both - together with some of their traditional supporters, then I think they will act rather than face defeat at the next GE

But as long as he keeps his appeal I think they'll hang on to him. And I believe he has enough support for that to happen.

His crass comment comparing Brexit with Ukraine - and suggesting Starmer would have held up the white-flag... the action of surrender - and to some, 'cowardice' - will not faze them... it's been suggested by one poster that we are all making too much fuss about it. Obviously to some, words don't matter. But I cannot help wondering what the headlines would be if, say, Corbyn had made such a comment.

Thank you for this thread. There are some really clever and knowledgeable posters here, who know their politics inside and out (with one exception of course). I applaud your knowledge, I have enjoyed reading the viewpoints.

Last week in my conversation class they were joking about thé nimber of refugees with all their papers being allowed in the UK This week I can see they will be quoting the comparison between Brexit and the Russians invasion .

Urmstongran

Wasn’t that disproved last year DaisyAnne? I’m sure I recall reading something on the topic.

You should try reading a bit more, Ug.

The road to Brexit is lined with Russian flags. Most of the key figures turn out to have Russian connections; be financed by Russia and like Putin.

There's even a video clip doing the rounds of Putin in 2017 telling Theresa May to get on with it. And the infamous statement by a retiring Russian ambassador to the UK saying that as a result of Brexit Britain is on its knees and won't recover for a long time (mission accomplished?)...

Johnson, Banks, Farage, Elliot, Cummings... all up to their necks in Russia.

Casdon

You do make me laugh Urmstongran.. having one set of friends with the same politics as yourself who live in Wales and don’t like Mark Drakeford does not make you an expert. If you remember, the Welsh Senedd elections were in 2021, and Labour (and Mark Drakeford personally) had increased majorities. We don’t despair here. The current forecast is that the Tories will lose all the Welsh seats they gained in 2019 at the next election, which may be why you are despairing though.

Unfortunately for those of us living in the north under Betsi Cadwaladr health board, Casdon, Labour have done absolutely nothing to crow about and their majority is guaranteed given the South Wales capacity to vote for donkeys if they wear red rosettes!

Urmstongran

^Priti Patel has said Vladimir Putin might try to use Ukrainian women and children to infiltrate the UK^

Another Salisbury attack WWMk2?

But that wasn't refugees. That was a couple of Russian tourists who came to see the nice cathedral at Salisbury. Who came through an airport through the proper channels.

Let's keep all foreigners out, shall we?

Urmstongran

Wasn’t that disproved last year DaisyAnne? I’m sure I recall reading something on the topic.

? no just the opposite in fact, it is just that Johnson won’t publish the evidence.

There are many Tory MPs who are very aware of the damage that BJ is doing to democracy - I want to know what they are doing about it. It would seem they are biding their time - but how long?

What was that Urmstongran?

The Russia Report showed the British government and intelligence agencies failed to conduct any proper assessment of Kremlin attempts to interfere with the 2016 Brexit referendum. I don't think that counts as disproving it.

My question again then: How will you feel if it does turn out Brexit was "a Kremlin project as has been suggested by many who know more than we do?

Regardless of whether I think Brexit was good or bad, think for BJ to compare Brexit with Ukraine is disgusting. For all its faults don’t think the EU would bomb us for disagreeing with them! Every time I think Boris can’t sink any lower he proves me wrong.

Wasn’t that disproved last year DaisyAnne? I’m sure I recall reading something on the topic.