Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

I don't hate Germany, I lived there happily for a part of my life and still have good friends from those days but the German government continues to buy Russian fuel and their response to Ukraine has been slow coming.

LilacChaser

I really don't find it an offensive comment. Silly, ill-thought out, and not really relevant, but not offensive. Too much fuss is being made of it.

No-one had to fight and die to achieve Brexit. Neither were children maimed or killed in its pursuit.

Johnson has hijacked a tragedy, one with possible global repercussions, for his own political gain and to further his personal ambition.

Brexit was a political, cultural and economic change to our constitution. The EU did not try to forcibly detain us or threaten to invade us. It is an absurd comparison. And to some it is offensive.

Ironically, Ukraine has applied to become an immediate member of the EU. Which makes his comment even more fatuous.

As Donald Tusk says, "Boris Johnson likens Ukrainians’ fight to British people voting for Brexit. I can still remember the enthusiasm of Putin and Trump after the referendum. Boris, your words offend Ukrainians, the British and common sense."

Even Putin is probably scratching his head in bewilderment... as are some staunch, high-profile Brexiters...

volver

Tulpia

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I agree, Urmstongran and have read that many of those missiles Germany did supply, don't work. Their initial offer was 500 helmets.....

This is really despicable, you know? Actually you may not know, but it is.

Have you any idea of how international relations works? Any at all? Any concept of how Germany have completely revised their post war defence strategies? Any concept of how "I have read" just points to the fact that mostly what you read is incorrect, right wing propaganda?

As opposed to your incorrect, left wing propaganda do you mean?

X posts GG13 ?

Of course growstuff I’m sure you do the same!

growstuff

Urmstongran

Well the USA voted for Joe Biden volver! ‘Anyone but Trump’ and look how THAT is panning out.

I couldn’t vote for Labour.
I just look at Drakeford in Wales and despair. Sadiq Khan ruining London with its unaddressed knife crime and woke Metropolitan Police. David Lammy (oh no), Angela (scum quote) Rayner, the bruiser Emily Thornberry, Keir (the kneeler) Starmer. Yikes.

So you'd vote for somebody with the same values you have? Yes, that follows.

growsruff I think we all vote for the party which best embodies our own ethos on life,

MayBee70

DaisyAnne

There is time between now and the next election Maizie and Casdon. A lot will depend on how people have felt the current issues have affected them. That election may well depend more on what Rishi Sunak does than anything Johnson can say.

Well, now we know Sunak’s cunning plan. Massive increase in state pension. So, we’re definitely heading towards an election. Wish I was rich enough to tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine….if now isn’t the right time to change leader because of the world being in crisis, why is it the right time for the government to be thinking about an election?

I found an article in the Express MayBee. Is this what you were refering to.

Sunak 'could revise' state pension increase - pensioners would get £364 extra via 7% rise
CHANCELLOR Rishi could announce an improved increase to the state pension at his Spring Statement announcement next week, an expert has suggested.

Urmstongran

Well the USA voted for Joe Biden volver! ‘Anyone but Trump’ and look how THAT is panning out.

I couldn’t vote for Labour.
I just look at Drakeford in Wales and despair. Sadiq Khan ruining London with its unaddressed knife crime and woke Metropolitan Police. David Lammy (oh no), Angela (scum quote) Rayner, the bruiser Emily Thornberry, Keir (the kneeler) Starmer. Yikes.

So you'd vote for somebody with the same values you have? Yes, that follows.

But their politicians (like ours) get things wrong sometimes.

On this occasion Germany didn't get it wrong. They have changed their entire ethos of 75 years standing in order to get it right.

Our problem isn't that our PM sometimes get it wrong, it's that he demonstrates constantly through his words and actions that he doesn't know right from wrong.

volver

25Avalon

Well Volver to me and others it is not an empty argument but real concern about our politics today. I’m afraid it is what the UK has come to.

OK. So the UK has come to the situation that there is nobody in the whole 60-odd million of us who could do a better job than running the country that a lying, entitled, overgrown Eton schoolboy who wouldn't know hardship if it hit him in the face? Someone who is happy to consort with oligarchs and court dictators if there is a chance of getting their oil? Someone who lies on such a regular basis that he himself doesn't know the difference between truth and lies any more? Someone who will exploit the Ukraine war to try to appeal to his support base?

Well it's not the UK I know.

Well said, volver. Can I throw in his affairs with people like Arcuri as well? And constantly waffling on about Peppa Pig and Kermit the frog….

I think by ‘their people’ Kandinsky just meant these are the Tories who pay for memberships and attend party conferences DaisyAnne. Simple as. Their choice!

Our daughter’s partner of 10 years is German. No hatred of the German people from me - in fact the opposite and in fact, a lot of admiration. But their politicians (like ours) get things wrong sometimes.

volver

Tulpia

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I agree, Urmstongran and have read that many of those missiles Germany did supply, don't work. Their initial offer was 500 helmets.....

This is really despicable, you know? Actually you may not know, but it is.

Have you any idea of how international relations works? Any at all? Any concept of how Germany have completely revised their post war defence strategies? Any concept of how "I have read" just points to the fact that mostly what you read is incorrect, right wing propaganda?

The hate for Germany is still strong in some, volver. It will manifest itself whatever Germany does.

Kandinsky

When Boris says these things he’s talking to brexiteers, to the people who are glad we’re out of the EU. He’s not talking to remainers who wouldn’t vote for him no matter what he said.
He’s talking to his people.

What do you mean by "his people". This is still a democracy isn't it? You don't get to be anyones' "people" unless you are in favour of a dictator, do you?

This is a genuine question. Do you mean they owe him some sort of hommage or tribute as you might have done historically? Personally, I am nobody's person except my own. Do people really feel like this? It's a bit too bowing and scraping for me.

60% of the British people did not vote for Brexit or Johnson, so I cringe when I hear "the British people voted for freedom", when in reality we lost freedoms. His faux Churchill impression is not going down well with many commentators.

25Avalon

Well Volver to me and others it is not an empty argument but real concern about our politics today. I’m afraid it is what the UK has come to.

OK. So the UK has come to the situation that there is nobody in the whole 60-odd million of us who could do a better job than running the country that a lying, entitled, overgrown Eton schoolboy who wouldn't know hardship if it hit him in the face? Someone who is happy to consort with oligarchs and court dictators if there is a chance of getting their oil? Someone who lies on such a regular basis that he himself doesn't know the difference between truth and lies any more? Someone who will exploit the Ukraine war to try to appeal to his support base?

Well it's not the UK I know.

Sorry Zelensky of course. I’m going to shout his name ZELENSKY. My god he deserves it. We could do with a charismatic leader in this country.

What massive pension increase ?
Johnston is trying to rally the troops , he hasn’t noticed that we are not at war actually , he is so into his Churchill impersonation

I didn’t change the subject volver. You brought up a response saying why do we not change the PM when others (not me at that point) said there’s little competition.

He may have been talking to those who voted for Brexit but many of them must cringe hearing/reading such twaddle. He lacks any integrity or statesmanship. We've had some pretty dreadful PMs over the years but he wins the prize for the worst!

By the way, do the man the honour of getting his name right.

Zelensky

Zelensky isn't right either, volver

Zelensky himself has it spelled "Zelenskyy" on his passport. In May 2019 his administration said he preferred that spelling when his name was transliterated from the Cyrillic to the Latin alphabet.

Zelenskyy

Urmstongran

Well the USA voted for Joe Biden volver! ‘Anyone but Trump’ and look how THAT is panning out.

I couldn’t vote for Labour.
I just look at Drakeford in Wales and despair. Sadiq Khan ruining London with its unaddressed knife crime and woke Metropolitan Police. David Lammy (oh no), Angela (scum quote) Rayner, the bruiser Emily Thornberry, Keir (the kneeler) Starmer. Yikes.

Why do you keep changing the subject and bringing up irrelevant facts?

Is it a directive from HQ?

Well Volver to me and others it is not an empty argument but real concern about our politics today. I’m afraid it is what the UK has come to.

25Avalon

Who or what is the viable alternative to Johnson one has to ask? Is this not part of the reason he is still there? Lewensky is far more like Churchill than Johnson.

I think you mean Zelenskyy. Othewise you could mean Lewenski but that is a whole other can of worms.

I do think a man leading a country which is defending our freedoms as much as theirs should have the right name.

Well the USA voted for Joe Biden volver! ‘Anyone but Trump’ and look how THAT is panning out.

I couldn’t vote for Labour.
I just look at Drakeford in Wales and despair. Sadiq Khan ruining London with its unaddressed knife crime and woke Metropolitan Police. David Lammy (oh no), Angela (scum quote) Rayner, the bruiser Emily Thornberry, Keir (the kneeler) Starmer. Yikes.