Johnson's offensive speech at the Conservative Party Spring Conference.

DaisyAnne

There is time between now and the next election Maizie and Casdon. A lot will depend on how people have felt the current issues have affected them. That election may well depend more on what Rishi Sunak does than anything Johnson can say.

Well, now we know Sunak’s cunning plan. Massive increase in state pension. So, we’re definitely heading towards an election. Wish I was rich enough to tell them to stick it where the sun don’t shine….if now isn’t the right time to change leader because of the world being in crisis, why is it the right time for the government to be thinking about an election?

Tulpia

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I agree, Urmstongran and have read that many of those missiles Germany did supply, don't work. Their initial offer was 500 helmets.....

This is really despicable, you know? Actually you may not know, but it is.

Have you any idea of how international relations works? Any at all? Any concept of how Germany have completely revised their post war defence strategies? Any concept of how "I have read" just points to the fact that mostly what you read is incorrect, right wing propaganda?

Me for one MayBee. ??

Kandinsky

When Boris says these things he’s talking to brexiteers, to the people who are glad we’re out of the EU. He’s not talking to remainers who wouldn’t vote for him no matter what he said.
He’s talking to his people.

Then I dread to think what the mentality of ‘his people’ is like…

Kandinsky

When Boris says these things he’s talking to brexiteers, to the people who are glad we’re out of the EU. He’s not talking to remainers who wouldn’t vote for him no matter what he said.
He’s talking to his people.

That is not the point here ! Yes fine talk to brexiteers etc but it’s the insensitivity (to put it mildly) of the comparison to a war torn country. I don’t understand how you can’t see that…sorry I don’t mean to be rude but this thread isn’t really about Brexit versus remain.
I’m shocked

25Avalon

Who or what is the viable alternative to Johnson one has to ask? Is this not part of the reason he is still there? Lewensky is far more like Churchill than Johnson.

This is such an empty argument. Should we stick with this useless leader because off the top of our heads we can't think of anyone better? Is that what the UK has come to?

By the way, do the man the honour of getting his name right.

Zelensky.

Lewinsky (sp) is a different matter altogether, and certainly nothing like Churchill

An idiotic, thoughtless comment, what we have come to expect from Johnson. Totally unsuited to the post he is in!

Urmstongran

Well Berlin has supplied just one-fifth of the missiles it promised in response to the Russian invasion, with the lack of weapons causing increasing frustration inside Ukraine. This was highlighted yesterday. So overall, I think Boris is playing a blinder with support from Ben Wallace. I think the UK has much to be proud of. The Ukrainians seem to think so too.

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I agree, Urmstongran and have read that many of those missiles Germany did supply, don't work. Their initial offer was 500 helmets.....

LilacChaser

I really don't find it an offensive comment. Silly, ill-thought out, and not really relevant, but not offensive. Too much fuss is being made of it.

Not offensive ? To compare an invaded country being bombed
To a vote to Leave the EU ? Seriously ?

Kandinsky

When Boris says these things he’s talking to brexiteers, to the people who are glad we’re out of the EU. He’s not talking to remainers who wouldn’t vote for him no matter what he said.
He’s talking to his people.

You mean like Putin does?

Who or what is the viable alternative to Johnson one has to ask? Is this not part of the reason he is still there? Lewensky is far more like Churchill than Johnson.

When Boris says these things he’s talking to brexiteers, to the people who are glad we’re out of the EU. He’s not talking to remainers who wouldn’t vote for him no matter what he said.
He’s talking to his people.

You never miss a chance vegansrock! The world loves a trier.
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The economic forecast is pretty dire, true. But I believe it’s going to be the same over all of Europe owing to energy prices - food & fuel prices will hoik everything up. Some economists say we’re about to hit a recession of sorts. But come election time, in 2 years, voters will see it’s not just the UK with higher prices so their voting will reflect that I think.

Brexit and Ukraine are similar in that both had Russian involvement

I really don't find it an offensive comment. Silly, ill-thought out, and not really relevant, but not offensive. Too much fuss is being made of it.

There is time between now and the next election Maizie and Casdon. A lot will depend on how people have felt the current issues have affected them. That election may well depend more on what Rishi Sunak does than anything Johnson can say.

We’re allowed to disagree MaizieD

Handbags at dawn at 50 paces, Casdon ?

We’re allowed to disagree MaizieD, I still believe that in the end the economy will be Johnson’s downfall. People have short memories, and the average voter is going to be swayed by the ‘anything is better than this’ mentality as they become worse off.
news.sky.com/story/cost-of-living-crisis-why-economic-pessimism-among-voters-could-have-major-political-consequences-12569526

Casdon

I disagree MaizieD. The party faithful will stick with the Tories, but most voters aren’t the faithful, they vote for whoever they think the economy is safer with. Johnson’s ‘charisma’ is seriously tarnished, so he won’t save them now.

I think that 'Labour is bad with money' is as deeply and ineradicably ingrained in the voting public's mind, along with Thatcher's appalling lie that a national economy is the same as a household economy; that everything is funded by the taxpayer.

If you don't believe me just look at all the 'we (the UK) can't afford it' statements made by nearly every Gnet poster on thread after thread. This despite any evidence to the contrary that one tries to present.

Nope, the tories have got their excellent reputation for economic competence well and truly in the bag...

Why are we so quick to put ourselves down? Some on here constantly look for the negatives. Seems to cheer them up.

I think this comment shows an overdose of New Right. You are in good company Urmstongran; Gove tried it the other day.

We are not "putting ourselves down" as I am sure you are well aware. However, it does show your need to deflect from posters pointing out the truth about Johnson.

The New Right are your party - I get that. Insulting other posters by saying they are "constantly looking for negatives" and "It seems to cheer them up" is not attractive if you are hoping to win over people to hold them up at the next election.

Good post Urmstongran I understand the sentiment of what he said, but entirely wrong in its method of delivery and extremely insensitive to the citizens of Ukraine. He does appear at times to be devoid of empathy and self awareness.

I saw on Twitter Ed Davy MP comparing Mr,Johnson to Basil Fawlty. One of the replies was (this is a paraphrase) yes he (Mr,Johnson) is totally like Basil Fawlty, a legend, Basil had 12 episodes let’s hope Boris has 12 years

There appears to be a firm support base for him amongst the electorate.

No I didn’t like his analogy. I thought it crass. Offensive? Hmm. I get what he means. It’s about freedoms to choose how a sovereign state would like to live. The UK overall chose Brexit. Sorry but it’s true. On GN forums this isn’t reflected I appreciate that but it doesn’t alter the fact. Out there, in real life, it’s what the voting public wanted.

But his comparison was flawed. A war is nothing like Brexit. Nowhere near. To think otherwise beggars belief.

GrannyGravy13

There are a lot of Conservative voters out there who do not support Mr,Johnson.

I am one of them.

I have friends in the same position GrannyGravy. I think I said elsewhere we talk about the "Johnson Government" when we discuss politics as they cannot associate themselves with it.

However, it will be difficult for the centrist Conservatives - which is what my friends are - to pull back from what this New Right government has done to them.

It's off-topic, I know, so appologies, but this is another reason for PR. What I believe is the small number of those who share Urmstongrans point of view should be represented, as should what I would guess is the much larger number of those who have right of centre views. In just the same way the small number of out and out Communists and the left of centre voters should have a fair representation.

Funny how the Johnson sycophants never answer the questions instead talk about vaccines . A bit like their hero really.