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How many foreign secretaries does it take….?

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MayBee70 Mon 21-Mar-22 13:39:49

Nazanin has just pointed out that, since she was imprisoned in Iran the U.K. has had 5 ( (or is it 6?) foreign secretaries and that it shouldn’t have taken so long to secure her release. Is it normal for governments to have so many foreign secretaries in such a short space of time? Is it normal for a failed foreign secretary to then become PM. It could be argued that it’s due to the number of elections we’ve had, but that isn’t normal either. Are we just accepting/becoming complacent with things in politics that are just plain wrong?

varian Mon 21-Mar-22 13:48:52

It only took one Foreign Secretary to make her plight so much worse

Dinahmo Mon 21-Mar-22 14:43:37

IMO many Brits don't like discussing politics for some reason and don't take much notice of what's happening. Occasionally something comes along to waken them, such as Brexit and now Ukraine. I think that the main difference between the two topics is the attitude of the media since in the case of Ukraine virtually all the media is opposed to the war and in favour of supporting the country and its people.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Mar-22 14:45:10

It only takes one foreign Secretary when we need Iran’s oil.

Casdon Mon 21-Mar-22 15:40:16

Good for her for saying what she thinks. It’s great to see that her years of imprisonment haven’t knocked the stuffing out of her, and that she’s angry enough and brave enough to be honest.

ayse Mon 21-Mar-22 15:53:13

Casdon

Good for her for saying what she thinks. It’s great to see that her years of imprisonment haven’t knocked the stuffing out of her, and that she’s angry enough and brave enough to be honest.

I was listening this lunchtime. She was quite clear about her feelings concerning the inactivity over her release since 2016. She has every right to be angry and I’m glad she spoke out.

I’d like to know why governments since the 1970s have not paid the debt to Iran, that’s over 40 years? I presume it is everything to donwith the Islamic Revolution and the overthrow of the Shah.

eazybee Mon 21-Mar-22 16:12:24

Of course it is to do with the Islamic revolution.Rather like having to pay money to Putin after he has dismembered Ukraine.

varian Mon 21-Mar-22 18:13:43

Why should we or anyone else be paying money to Putin?

Esspee Mon 21-Mar-22 18:34:56

That’s not what easybee meant varian.

Casdon Mon 21-Mar-22 18:40:48

Does the UK owe a similar debt for goods to Russia as it did to Iran easybee, I wasn’t aware of that?

Poppyred Mon 21-Mar-22 18:59:08

Ah, no blame on the Iranian Government then….or the advice not to travel to Iran…….

MawtheMerrier Mon 21-Mar-22 19:06:38

IMO many Brits don't like discussing politics for some reason and don't take much notice of what's happening

I'm not sure where you get that idea from Dinahmo
Is that what they think in your part of France? It's certainly not the case in my part of England!

Pammie1 Mon 21-Mar-22 19:06:55

ayse

Casdon

Good for her for saying what she thinks. It’s great to see that her years of imprisonment haven’t knocked the stuffing out of her, and that she’s angry enough and brave enough to be honest.

I was listening this lunchtime. She was quite clear about her feelings concerning the inactivity over her release since 2016. She has every right to be angry and I’m glad she spoke out.

I’d like to know why governments since the 1970s have not paid the debt to Iran, that’s over 40 years? I presume it is everything to donwith the Islamic Revolution and the overthrow of the Shah.

I was listening to a radio news programme after the news broke that her passport had been returned to her. Apparently the debt was for military equipment Iran ordered from the UK. The country was ruled by the Shah at the time of the order but before it was filled, he was overthrown and the thinking at the time was that it was morally wrong for us to arm the Ayatollah, so the order was never filled. I don’t really understand the ins and outs of it, but apparently there was no suitable ‘mechanism’ for repaying the debt and it was kicked into the long grass, so to speak.

ayse Mon 21-Mar-22 19:12:43

I’m sure that if a government wanted to they could always find a suitable way to pay. It seems it was like applying sanctions through the back door then leaving ordinary people to take the consequences. Not that I have any agreement with any dictatorship Islamic or otherwise.

Mollygo Mon 21-Mar-22 19:20:48

Pammie1 I heard the same report. At the time there would have been an outcry about us funding arms for the Ayatollah.
Now there are reports of people? being told about the money and nothing being done but I don’t remember hearing about it on the news back then or in the intervening years.
I’m just relieved she and the other prisoner are back in England.

MayBee70 Mon 21-Mar-22 19:24:39

This is a woman that has been deprived of years and years of being part of her daughters life. I can’t even begin to understand the anger she is feeling now.

Urmstongran Mon 21-Mar-22 19:24:46

This woman came to the attention of the Iranian authorities for whatever reason. That wasn’t the British government’s fault. She is very lucky she is out.

As anyone who knows anything about Iran will tell you, if you get in trouble over there, there isn’t much our Government can do for you. She must have been aware of the political situation.

If it weren’t for the British government she wouldn’t be here now. HM Governor was put in a very difficult position and it has upset the USA by seemingly ‘paying to get her out’. Even though the money was held in an escrow account for decades, optics count on the world stage.

A bit of gratitude is owed in my opinion and if she can’t offer that, then I suggest she would be better off saying nothing at all for the foreseeable.

Urmstongran Mon 21-Mar-22 19:27:18

* HM Government

Casdon Mon 21-Mar-22 19:27:26

‘Ah, no blame on the Iranian Government then….or the advice not to travel to Iran…….’ Poppyred who said that? Did you listen to what Nazanin said today?

varian Mon 21-Mar-22 19:27:31

Disgusting comment from UG

JenniferEccles Mon 21-Mar-22 19:29:37

Urms I am so pleased I am not the only one to wonder where the gratitude was.
She wasn’t a bit what I was expecting. Yes obviously she has been through an ordeal but to go on the attack of the government which was instrumental in securing her freedom didn’t sit well with me.

Urmstongran Mon 21-Mar-22 19:31:40

Remember people , she was specifically warned by the Foreign Office in 2014 not to go back to Iran and yet she did.

Why does no journalist mention this fact and ask her if she takes any repsonsibilty for her actions?

Iam64 Mon 21-Mar-22 19:32:58

Urmston - mr Johnson didn’t help by announcing she was training journalists

Iam64 Mon 21-Mar-22 19:36:43

Plus if this country had paid the debt we owed, £400m , she’d have been back 6 years ago. She was a hostages

I wonder if you’d be so critical of the Beirut hostages

tidyskatemum Mon 21-Mar-22 19:38:23

I can’t believe those of you who are pursing your lips at her perceived ingratitude. I’d be bloody ungrateful too if I’d been needlessly separated from my husband and child for 6 years. Remember a certain Foreign Secretary who made things a whole lot worse by saying she was “teaching journalism” not to mention his flat denial of any debt to Iran?