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How many foreign secretaries does it take….?

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MayBee70 Mon 21-Mar-22 13:39:49

Nazanin has just pointed out that, since she was imprisoned in Iran the U.K. has had 5 ( (or is it 6?) foreign secretaries and that it shouldn’t have taken so long to secure her release. Is it normal for governments to have so many foreign secretaries in such a short space of time? Is it normal for a failed foreign secretary to then become PM. It could be argued that it’s due to the number of elections we’ve had, but that isn’t normal either. Are we just accepting/becoming complacent with things in politics that are just plain wrong?

Yammy Tue 22-Mar-22 14:03:26

Casdon

What line do you think she crossed Yammy, and why should she have appeared to be toeing it?

You don't read posts correctly either just what you want them to say. I did not say she had put her toe over a line I said sometimes you have to be appearing to do so to appease people. Are you not guilty of it sometimes or are you confrontational all the time?

Lucca Tue 22-Mar-22 13:58:18

I rest my case

merlotgran Tue 22-Mar-22 13:51:39

I'm off to talk to my plants.

Enjoy your silly games.

Petera Tue 22-Mar-22 13:48:07

merlotgran

^I was disappointed that she publicly disagreed with her husband^

I did not say that she argued with him. You can put as many interpretations on my post as you like but I know what I said and what I meant and so do you.

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Lucca Tue 22-Mar-22 13:47:11

merlotgran

^I was disappointed that she publicly disagreed with her husband^

I did not say that she argued with him. You can put as many interpretations on my post as you like but I know what I said and what I meant and so do you.

Oh come on. Publicly disagreed/argued…..

Lucca Tue 22-Mar-22 13:46:09

GrannyGravy13

I think that Iran will be watching/listening to what she says.

She has elderly parents still in Iran and maybe other family, she is in all probability being careful/mindful of her stance towards the current regime.

Exactly ! Good point GG13

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 13:30:50

Suspected argument about semantics incoming…

10 points to Gryffindor.

merlotgran Tue 22-Mar-22 13:29:22

I was disappointed that she publicly disagreed with her husband

I did not say that she argued with him. You can put as many interpretations on my post as you like but I know what I said and what I meant and so do you.

Purplepixie Tue 22-Mar-22 13:26:29

I am shocked but not surprised by the attitude of some posters on here. She has been robbed of all those years with her family. Have some compassion and empathy. I know I would be having my say as well if I was her. Boris put his foot in it with his stupid comments about her wrongly training journalists. She has a right to say something.

Baggs Tue 22-Mar-22 13:26:22

I've been thinking that too, GG. She would not want to put her parents at risk.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 22-Mar-22 13:25:09

I think that Iran will be watching/listening to what she says.

She has elderly parents still in Iran and maybe other family, she is in all probability being careful/mindful of her stance towards the current regime.

Casdon Tue 22-Mar-22 13:19:47

What line do you think she crossed Yammy, and why should she have appeared to be toeing it?

Petera Tue 22-Mar-22 13:18:16

merlotgran

volver

Is there a playbook?

1. She's ungrateful

2. She argued with her husband

3. She's a bad mother

Can't wait for number 4.

Has anyone actually said any of the above?

They’re simply your OTT interpretation of some comments

1. Urmstongran Mon 21-Mar-22 19:24:46
A bit of gratitude is owed in my opinion and if she can’t offer that, then I suggest she would be better off saying nothing at all for the foreseeable
2. merlotgran Mon 21-Mar-22 19:51:56
I was disappointed that she publicly disagreed with her husband
3. Calendargirl Tue 22-Mar-22 06:53:19
I would have expected her to want to keep a low profile and just enjoy being back with her family for the time being. It must be a huge upheaval for all of them, especially the little girl.

Suspected argument about semantics incoming…

This has been a public information service. We read the posts so you don’t have to!

Yammy Tue 22-Mar-22 13:16:20

What was nasty? Iran is her birth country and the one that kept her captive yet no criticism of it or of their treatment of her. She is British by marriage fact.
She is feisty and I applaud her for keeping her sanity.

Iam64 Tue 22-Mar-22 12:59:52

She’s a feisty British Iranian woman. This is her country. Offensive to say otherwise and to add another inaccurate, nasty attack.

annodomini Tue 22-Mar-22 12:45:41

She is a feisty woman and I, for one, was surprised and delighted to hear that six years of inhumane treatment by Iran and neglect by our Government had not extinguished her fire.

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 12:45:02

Yammy

Britain is her own country.

Just saying.

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 12:43:42

maddyone

It’s not wise to believe everything you read on Twitter, much of it is simply personal opinion. That’s why I don’t have, and never will have, a Twitter account.

If you don't have a Twitter account maddyone, how do you know it's mostly "personal opinion"?

Twitter isn't a chatting site, like Gransnet. It's a globally important way of disseminating information, whether those of us in our generation like it or not. It's not just individuals who have Twitter accounts, it's organisations. If you want to see the power of it, the MFA from Russia is a good place to start.

So we can all ignore it and play it down as much as we like, and tell each other that we'd never fall for it or waste our time on it.

But when I see exact Cut and Pastes from Twitter appearing on this site and masquerading as "personal opinion to which I'm entitled", pardon me for being a bit suspicious.

Yammy Tue 22-Mar-22 12:35:23

One sentence of thanks to the present government for solving a 50-year-old problem would have stopped all this debate and mudslinging. The lady only thanked her husband as an afterthought.
Sometimes you have to do things that do not come naturally to you just to appear to be toeing the line.
There were lots she chose not to say.
It was her own country that locked her up no criticism of them.
No criticism of her treatment whilst in prison.
We don't really know why she chose to go to Iran.
Was she shielding her parents who are still there we do not know?
She should have done what Terry Waite advised the other day.
A non-comital pleased to be back home and thank you to those that brought it about. Then disappear into the sunset.

Baggs Tue 22-Mar-22 12:23:56

I am delighted Z-R has been able to return to her British family. Her husband and daughter have suffered too, though not in the same way as her.

My feeling is that if there had been a simple solution to the problem, which I do not fully understand (does anyone on GN?), then it would have been acted upon and, one hopes, her release achieved much sooner than it was.

frenchie Tue 22-Mar-22 12:12:33

Totally agree with you iam64
Such nastiness and lack of compassion and empathy

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 11:39:03

Because.

My favourite spelling mistake smile

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 11:38:35

eazybee

How on earth has someone managed to analyse 14,000 tweets using information from 'individual account bios' whatever they are, in so short a space of time, and divide them into what are emotively described as 'haters ' and 'supporters'?

It isn't about picking a side, it is about expressing an opinion, to which every one is entitled, and some people are brave enough to express unpopular ones. Why people read Twitter is beyond me.

Becuase that's his job and he has software?

Jeezy peeps...

Iam64 Tue 22-Mar-22 11:36:57

JaneJudge

A woman has been through a massive trauma that none of us on here can even comprehend and the first thing other women can do is criticise her for her own feelings.

Precisely so
The absence of compassion or empathy in some posters is indeed, shocking

eazybee Tue 22-Mar-22 11:34:44

How on earth has someone managed to analyse 14,000 tweets using information from 'individual account bios' whatever they are, in so short a space of time, and divide them into what are emotively described as 'haters ' and 'supporters'?

It isn't about picking a side, it is about expressing an opinion, to which every one is entitled, and some people are brave enough to express unpopular ones. Why people read Twitter is beyond me.