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How many foreign secretaries does it take….?

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MayBee70 Mon 21-Mar-22 13:39:49

Nazanin has just pointed out that, since she was imprisoned in Iran the U.K. has had 5 ( (or is it 6?) foreign secretaries and that it shouldn’t have taken so long to secure her release. Is it normal for governments to have so many foreign secretaries in such a short space of time? Is it normal for a failed foreign secretary to then become PM. It could be argued that it’s due to the number of elections we’ve had, but that isn’t normal either. Are we just accepting/becoming complacent with things in politics that are just plain wrong?

DillytheGardener Tue 22-Mar-22 11:25:35

Hear hear janejudge well said ?

Lucca Tue 22-Mar-22 11:17:45

Kandinsky

Lucca

You’re very easily shocked and appalled I’ve noticed.
Not sure what’s appalling about saying her husband looks worse than she does?
He does.
And what’s appalling about assuming she’ll write a book about her ordeal?
The parents of James Bulger wrote books about the murder of their child, so did Sara Payne, are you appalled by that?

I’m appalled at the insinuation of writing a book “in time for Christmas” as you know full well.

I’m shocked at the lack of empathy shown on GN at times, yes, for which I make no apology.

JaneJudge Tue 22-Mar-22 11:16:51

A woman has been through a massive trauma that none of us on here can even comprehend and the first thing other women can do is criticise her for her own feelings.

Lucca Tue 22-Mar-22 11:12:45

volver

I've just seen a tweet saying this:

The British public paid £400M to Tehran to secure this foreign-born citizen’s release and all she can do is complain about it and criticise Britain. Disgusting.

The person who made the tweet is in this picture.

Pick your side, people.

I Feel sick

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 10:58:14

MaizieD Marc Owen Jones also does extensive analysis on the disinformation coming out of Russia, I'm sure you've seen that as well. Its worth a look.

Not by those who are intelligent and don't have time for such things, of course... wink

Iam64 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:55:25

MaizieD thanks for the link. It does tend to be…..

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 10:51:21

Nana3

Intelligent discussion on Woman's Hour this morning on this subject.
I am speaking up for Nazanin to counteract the bile on social media.
I stand with all the many grans on here doing the same and would encourage more of us to join in.

???? Nana3

MayBee70 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:37:42

I’ve seen some of that bile. How ashamed/disgusted I am by some of the people in this country.

MaizieD Tue 22-Mar-22 10:35:42

Someone has analysed tweets 14,000 tweets about Nazanin

Findings, from the individual account bios.

'Haters' tend to be right wing Brexit and Johnson supporters

'Supporters' tend to be left wing, pro EU.

These findings don't surprise me.

twitter.com/marcowenjones/status/1506210844190859265

(Please note tend to be. Not are)

Nana3 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:27:21

Intelligent discussion on Woman's Hour this morning on this subject.
I am speaking up for Nazanin to counteract the bile on social media.
I stand with all the many grans on here doing the same and would encourage more of us to join in.

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:24:43

I don’t pretend to be an expert!

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:23:54

It wasn’t actually my suggestion about the money Whitewave. It was suggested by another poster and I merely thought it might be the case.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:21:28

maddyone

Yes Iam. You’re probably right. She’s probably protecting her Iranian family.

Yes I agree - that is opinion.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:20:18

maddyone

What’s wrong Whitewave? Do you mean in your opinion?

No in point of fact.

The system of banking money and Iran drawing down on it for humanitarian reasons has been in existence for years.

They do not use that for buying arms.

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 10:18:14

Well somebody has to man the metaphorical barricades.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:15:57

Maudi

Yes why wasn't the other British prisoner released if it was all about the money? What are other countries doing about their citizens who are sitting in Iranian prisons, anything/nothing?

He has American citizenship

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:15:52

What’s wrong Whitewave? Do you mean in your opinion?

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:15:02

Yes Iam. You’re probably right. She’s probably protecting her Iranian family.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:15:01

maddyone

^I suppose that the thinking was that they’d buy arms elsewhere.^

Yes, that’s probably it Kamiso. Thank you for a polite reply unlike another one I received and have chosen to ignore.
Nazanin is home at last, safe and sound. She can criticise the government if she wants to, after all she now lives again in a country where free speech is allowed. I am disappointed that she apparently voiced no criticism of Iran. After all, the Iranians imprisoned her, not the British.
An Iranian friend has told me that when travelling to Iran, those who have Iranian nationality must travel on their Iranian passports. Iran does not recognise dual nationality. As far as Iran was concerned Nazanin was/is Iranian.
Many foreign nationals are now, and have been since the revolution, incarcerated in Iranian prisons. I took the trouble to look it up yesterday. Sadly the joint citizen of the USA, Britain, and Iran, Morad Tanzad is still there. It is being said this is because he holds a USA passport. This reasoning seems strange given that Iran don’t recognise dual nationality. I hope he’s home soon.

No that is wrong.

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:14:01

Nastiness? I think your iPad has a mind of it’s own Iam. grin

merlotgran Tue 22-Mar-22 10:13:01

volver

No, the "sneery" thing won't work anymore.

If you can't understand that you are part of the propaganda machine intent on smearing Nazanin, well that doesn't impact on your intelligence but it does show that you don't understand how the world works these days.

And people who see things on Twitter, things orchestrated by vested interests, come on other SM sites and repeat them. And somebody goes "Oh, that's right. I agree". That's how it works.

So be as superior as you like about Twitter, it makes no difference at all.

I hope you are happy in your world an I’m glad I’m no part of it.

Sounds exhausting to me.

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:12:39

It’s not wise to believe everything you read on Twitter, much of it is simply personal opinion. That’s why I don’t have, and never will have, a Twitter account.

Iam64 Tue 22-Mar-22 10:12:26

Nastiness has family in Iran. I’m sure she’s highly critical of the regime.

maddyone Tue 22-Mar-22 10:08:00

I suppose that the thinking was that they’d buy arms elsewhere.

Yes, that’s probably it Kamiso. Thank you for a polite reply unlike another one I received and have chosen to ignore.
Nazanin is home at last, safe and sound. She can criticise the government if she wants to, after all she now lives again in a country where free speech is allowed. I am disappointed that she apparently voiced no criticism of Iran. After all, the Iranians imprisoned her, not the British.
An Iranian friend has told me that when travelling to Iran, those who have Iranian nationality must travel on their Iranian passports. Iran does not recognise dual nationality. As far as Iran was concerned Nazanin was/is Iranian.
Many foreign nationals are now, and have been since the revolution, incarcerated in Iranian prisons. I took the trouble to look it up yesterday. Sadly the joint citizen of the USA, Britain, and Iran, Morad Tanzad is still there. It is being said this is because he holds a USA passport. This reasoning seems strange given that Iran don’t recognise dual nationality. I hope he’s home soon.

volver Tue 22-Mar-22 10:00:27

No, the "sneery" thing won't work anymore.

If you can't understand that you are part of the propaganda machine intent on smearing Nazanin, well that doesn't impact on your intelligence but it does show that you don't understand how the world works these days.

And people who see things on Twitter, things orchestrated by vested interests, come on other SM sites and repeat them. And somebody goes "Oh, that's right. I agree". That's how it works.

So be as superior as you like about Twitter, it makes no difference at all.