Ukraine - contd

Biden said were that Putin can't stay in power. Putin has been telling his people for months that the West despise them and want to take over their country. And now the "leader of the free world" has made suggestion that Putin should be removed from power. It's played right into Putin's hands, surely that's obvious to everyone?

Whatever Putin does or doesn't do, the blame is squarely at Putin's door, we can't blame Biden or NATO or anyone else. But with such high stakes the POTUS needs to be diplomatic, not just "say what we're all thinking".

This over-reaction to Biden’s off the cuff remark will not, short or long term affect what Putin does. His apparent intention is to divide Ukraine as Korea is divided.

We shall see, as this will almost certainly be resisted by the Ukrainian population.

Zalensky has said that before any peace negotiation is finalised he will seek affirmation from the populace.

JenniferEccles

It appears that Putin still has the support of the majority of Russians. I read a couple of days ago that around 70% of the population think he is doing a good job. The problem of course is that they believe his nonsense that’s he’s ridding Ukraine of neo-Nazis.

Until Russians eventually learn the truth about the horrors inflicted on their neighbouring country, Putin, I fear will remain in power despite what the increasingly senile-sounding Biden might claim.

It's interesting (if macabre) that he is playing the Nazi card. From what I heard, listening to a Putin expert, Putin feels Russia was never given the credit they deserved for their part in the war against Hitler. Strange that he wants credit from people whose politics he dispises but apparently, he does.

I think people certainly recognised what the Russian army had done when they marched into Germany and, it appears, they haven't changed.

Zoejory

DaisyAnne

What "emotive language"?

You talk of Biden as if he's some hero, DaisyAnne. You suggest he's standing up to Putin. Forgive me if I'm wrong but USA is not being bombed to bits, unlike Ukraine. Macron is less than pleased. The White House is less than pleased. The UK is less than pleased.

Biden's words are dangerous.

And thank you, BoadiceaJones. It is indeed a worry when the leader of the USA uses such language.

I didn't "talk of Biden as if he's some hero". I stated facts anyone can find. I don't do setting politicians up as some kind of God. However, as you have raised it, I think his and America's efforts under his Presidency have been courageous and an incredible amount of hard work has been done. Should you want a hero, I would suggest you look at President Zelenskyy.

"The UK is less than pleased" You don't do facts, do you? All the UK? All the newspapers who would like to reinstate a man who behaves in a criminal fashion back as President of the USA are obviously happy to talk this up. After all, it takes attention off the Hire and Fire debacle and the amazingly tin-eared Spring Economic Statement. It really doesn't constitute the whole UK though, does it?

It appears that Putin still has the support of the majority of Russians. I read a couple of days ago that around 70% of the population think he is doing a good job. The problem of course is that they believe his nonsense that’s he’s ridding Ukraine of neo-Nazis.

Until Russians eventually learn the truth about the horrors inflicted on their neighbouring country, Putin, I fear will remain in power despite what the increasingly senile-sounding Biden might claim.

BoadiceaJones

And Zoejoey - thank you for your sensible and measured responses. Biden must have been out of his mind to call, in the presence of the entire world, for Putin to be replaced. The Russian rat is an utterly medacious, amoral, cold-blooded murderer, but that does not mean than any other nation can dictate the government of another sovereigh state.

So, talking of "emotive language" Biden clearly isn't "out of his mind" and has been doing an excellent job.

Certainly a very different on to the one his predecessor would have done. By now, I imagine, Ukraine would have been handed over with help from the Trump himself.

I think everyone who can say, has said that regime change is not America's or Biden's intention.

I'm glad Joe Biden spoke what a lot of us a thinking.
A bully needs to be told they are and not appeased .
We have an English family friend fighting in Mariupol nothing has been heard of him for the past 3 weeks by his Ukranian wife.

DaisyAnne

What "emotive language"?

You talk of Biden as if he's some hero, DaisyAnne. You suggest he's standing up to Putin. Forgive me if I'm wrong but USA is not being bombed to bits, unlike Ukraine. Macron is less than pleased. The White House is less than pleased. The UK is less than pleased.

Biden's words are dangerous.

And thank you, BoadiceaJones. It is indeed a worry when the leader of the USA uses such language.

BoadiceaJones

*DaisyAnne*-*"Turkey shoot" and what you appear to be reading online".

How does that make me appear American? And what I read online : Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald, Washington Post, NYT, NZ Herald.

Does that help?

It made me think you might be and therefore coming from a different angle. It wasn't a criticism; I just wondered.

DaisyAnne
Can you explain why every American commentator is rushing around trying to cover up his blunders.

I don’t think it’s possible for anybody to write a much less measured response than ‘ Biden would do the world a favour if he just stopped making speeches.’ as Zoejory did. I also don’t think she meant ‘just do some research’, I think she meant ‘Google’.

Let’s not forget his minor incursion which Zelensky took offence to.

www.nbcnews.com/news/world/biden-minor-incursion-ukraine-putin-russia-invasion-nato-rcna12886

And Zoejoey - thank you for your sensible and measured responses. Biden must have been out of his mind to call, in the presence of the entire world, for Putin to be replaced. The Russian rat is an utterly medacious, amoral, cold-blooded murderer, but that does not mean than any other nation can dictate the government of another sovereigh state.

DaisyAnne-*"Turkey shoot" and what you appear to be reading online".

How does that make me appear American? And what I read online : Guardian, Sydney Morning Herald, Washington Post, NYT, NZ Herald.

Does that help?

What "emotive language"?

DaisyAnne

It seems we have posters who ascribe to the rumours circulated by supporters of a man who is thought by many to have committed an act of treason.

Biden is a man who has studied the science of government. Biden has dedicated his life to public service; a huge change from one who cons and steals from others. He is a statesman who loves his country; he doesn't discriminate. He hasn't capitulated to a Russian dictator as his predecessor almost certainly would have done.

Biden said Putin 'cannot remain in power'. Are you saying you disagree? How wonderful it would be if the Russian's removed him.

Of course it would be wonderful if Putin was removed.

However, as numerous sources will tell you, and anyone with half a brain, it is extremely dangerous of Biden to come out with these comments that could cause Russia to react and cause far greater destruction.

Just do some research and stop with the emotive language.

maddyone

Putin cannot remain in power.
Now I’ve said it, but my saying it will have no impact. Perhaps Biden saying it will have more effect. I truly hope so.

I must be something all those concerned have thought about and talked about and wished for.

I don't think it is necessarily a slip for the person who has brought the West together and held them together so far to allow Putin to think his patience is running out.

Mr Biden spoke the truth, the awful Putin must not remain in power, the world knows it.
How we get him out, only God himself knows.

Putin cannot remain in power.
Now I’ve said it, but my saying it will have no impact. Perhaps Biden saying it will have more effect. I truly hope so.

What a lovely picture of Mariupol and now all destroyed by this lunatic. I cannot believe this is happening in this day and age. It is despicable.

It seems we have posters who ascribe to the rumours circulated by supporters of a man who is thought by many to have committed an act of treason.

Biden is a man who has studied the science of government. Biden has dedicated his life to public service; a huge change from one who cons and steals from others. He is a statesman who loves his country; he doesn't discriminate. He hasn't capitulated to a Russian dictator as his predecessor almost certainly would have done.

Biden said Putin 'cannot remain in power'. Are you saying you disagree? How wonderful it would be if the Russian's removed him.

What a beautiful picture of a beautiful city. Putin is a war monger and a criminal in my opinion.

Mariupol before the war. Now not a single building remains untouched by damage.

MerylStreep

I don’t think he’ll be allowed out in public fora while.

I hope not!

I don’t think he’ll be allowed out in public fora while.