Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

And how right he is!

A down-to-earth comment by a man-in-the-street! (or over the fence)

Had a conversation about trans women with my neighbour, who doesn't believe anyone can change sex. Couldn't help laughing when he made the very unPC comment "dogs are either male or female and a male dog remains a male dog even when you cut his balls off"

I’m just watching Mark, a triple amputee who has got back up and carried on living. Now that’s a winner a male to be proud of not one who has to cheat by competing against females to succeed.

Seriously folks, do these men competing in women’s sport have no human decency. Answer - no, they do not

I do not think womens sport should be for failed/failing male athletes.

It will be interesting to see whether, when competing against women, they will be able to improve from the position of 0 points and placed 0, in their last ranked race; Foreign National Dorpenomloop Rucphen (Elite Men) GG13. What are the odds?

It's shameful and is orchestrated cheating.

Ms Emily Bridges, a former male cycling champion, now identifies as a woman and is going to be allowed to compete in the British Female Cycling Team.

How do all those supporting TWAW think your sisters (natal born) will feel when they lose their place after years and years of training? Where are your feminist solidarity views?

No one would be forced to say "she" though that's illogical. They and them exist.

Wrong. <sigh>

UK — London, England. In March 2019, a new edition of the Equal Treatment Bench Book (ETBB) 2018 was released. The revised edition states that the court should “recognise a person’s gender identity and their present name for nearly all court and tribunal purposes, regardless of whether they have obtained legal recognition of their gender by way of a Gender Recognition Certificate.”

However, in April 2018, prior to the new edition of the ETBB, a judged warned a female victim giving evidence that she should refer to her male attacker as “she”, because “(t)he defendant wished to be referred to as a woman”. The defendant, Tara Wolf (né Flik Wood) was found guilty of assaulting Maria Maclachlan and fined £150. Judge Kenneth Grant refused to grant Ms Maclachlan any compensation, declaring, “It was notable that when I asked Ms Maclachlan to refer to Ms Wolf as ‘she’, she did so with bad grace – having asked her to do so she continued to refer to Ms Wolf as ‘he’ and ‘him'”.

I accept that there are trans women but don't, and never will accept they are women because they aren't.

Clearly there are some who identify as intersectional feminists who accept trans women are women but I haven't seen anything to support a claim that all intersectional feminists do so.

I don't identify as an intersectional feminist, but as a feminist I am intersectional and don't feel the need to prefix my feminist status.

Those who do not accept trans women as women don't need any excuses for doing so because it's not possible to change sex.

Doodledog

Yes, I believe so, grannysyb.

It can't be fair for men to compete against women, and IMO the only reason that people can possibly support it is because they see women as irrelevant. Their training, work, hopes and dreams count for nothing, and in the fullness of time, when all sports, workplaces and Arts are dominated by male-bodied people, women will be back in the kitchen where they belong.

What puzzles me DD is that some females still, after all the work put in by females. want to be subservient to males. E.g. Feminist opinion
Males want to win races? Fine let them compete against each other. It will give their win real value.
Intersectional feminists (as portrayed on GN, I’m sorry if we do not get a proper representation them here. )
Males want to win ?‍♀️?. We must do all we can to allow them to win. Let’s say it’s OK for them to compete against females.

Re your last sentence: I won’t live for ever. Neither will the ifs we hear from on here. They will be dead and gone by the time that happens and won’t care about females’ rights any more than they appear to do now.

Yes, I believe so, grannysyb.

It can't be fair for men to compete against women, and IMO the only reason that people can possibly support it is because they see women as irrelevant. Their training, work, hopes and dreams count for nothing, and in the fullness of time, when all sports, workplaces and Arts are dominated by male-bodied people, women will be back in the kitchen where they belong.

What a load of old cod VS. The only intersectional things I know or care about are peonies.

I find it extraordinary that people seem to think that it's fair for sports women to compete against men who "identify" as women. Also is that trans women still in charge of the rape Centre in Edinburgh?

Posted to early but it still makes more sense than saying makes can be females.

Galaxy

How does the existence of transmen help the women who lost to a man in sport .

It doesn’t, Galaxy, but read the comments.
1. Intersectional feminists aren’t there to support women, but,
2. If they say a man can be an AHF, which is nonsense scientifically, they can say
We know women are AHF. We don’t have to mess with dictionary definitions to make what we say true, it just is.
If you say males can be women, they can say they aren’t cheating in women’s competition.

Off to spend mothers day with my intersectional children lol

I don't believe in taking any rights from anyone to give anyone else more or less rights!
No, I agree. Sometimes it's inevitable that to be fair to one group another has to give up some of its privilege (eg workers getting minimum wage might cut into profits) but that's only conscionable when there is a disparity between the groups and the one giving way is the one with the privilege.

When you are talking about taking rights from women to give them to men (however they identify) it is a different story, and is (IMO) entirely incompatible with feminism.

Well if you didn't mean me Mollygo who were you asking, then perhaps they can answer for you

I don't believe in taking any rights from anyone to give anyone else more or less rights! ????
I wonder why you thought I meant you?

We can never, and will never, have total equality.

I'm a "sometimes" wheelchair user. During those times, I don't have equality with anyone able bodied, regardless of what they are or choose to identify with.

I can't access various places. Centuries old buildings and castles don't have lifts, they have stairs (for one example).

So, there are only two options to giving me equality: Mangle buildings to put modern lifts in, or close them to all, so that we are all equal.

Or, I can just accept that in some things I can't be equal nowadays, and jog on with life. ?

People can never all be equal, it's just a fact.

Nice dream, but unrealistic.

That's why intersectional femism is different though right and why those of us who believe in it differentiate ourselves

How does the existence of transmen help the women who lost to a man in sport .

But we dont think trans women are women VS. Thats sort of the whole basis of the argument.