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Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

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GagaJo Fri 25-Mar-22 22:01:21

As the usual posters on trans threads know, I support trans rights and also self-label as an intersectional feminist.

The irony of that statement however, is that after the first few posts on the threads that deal with trans issues, I invariably more or less step away from them, other than the occasional comment. There are quite a few other posters that do the same. I could name them, but that would be inappropriate. The reason that we do this is due to the animosity and personal insults that are bandied about, towards those of us that support trans equality. No doubt, the same things will happen on this thread.

The point of this thread, therefore, is to show, publically, that despite the orchestrated attacks from gender criticial feminists, that there are still a good number of us that do not take that position.

To anyone that reads these threads but is too intimidated to join in for the reasons given above, I'm just saying, we are still here!

VioletSky Wed 30-Mar-22 07:29:22

Trans woman are women

Trans men are men

Stating otherwise directly causes harm to the trans community, is disrespectful, denies their identity, defies advice given by the medical community, denies the protections given to by the equality act, ignores government advice and completely invalidates them.

Blaming the trans community as a whole for the actions of a few or for issues that arise from organisations looking for paths to accepting them directly causes fear and anger that empowers those who are unafraid to confront or even attack trans people who are simply living their everyday lives. It also endangers any woman not conforming to gender roles or whose appearance doesn't conform to gender norms.

The truth is that all of these discussions could easily have happened without ever doing either of those things.

All of these discussions could have happened in a compassionate and empathetic way.

That has not happened. Not for trans people and not for their allies.

Lucca Wed 30-Mar-22 06:21:53

Yes I realise I’ll be accused of transphobia just by asking, but what is exactly has JKR done to deserve (does anyone?) the death threats demos outside her house etc?

Any actual quotes or actions which mark her out as transphobic? (Rather than just questioning?). OP ?

That’s what bugs me. If anyone asks questions about safe spaces or keeping the term “women” they are instantly called transphobic

Rosie51 Wed 30-Mar-22 00:19:54

Mollygo

Rosie51
I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.

Good post Rosie51 with some excellent points.
I wouldn’t dare ask that, but perhaps you haven’t been warned.

No warnings here but I think I have some idea of hidden agendas. You'd almost think some know where the bodies are buried ??? It's not only Boris needs to quake in his boots!

Mollygo Wed 30-Mar-22 00:11:14

Rosie51
I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.

Good post Rosie51 with some excellent points.
I wouldn’t dare ask that, but perhaps you haven’t been warned.

Rosie51 Tue 29-Mar-22 23:49:52

VioletSky

I still quite like Harry Potter

You don't have to like a person to like their fictional writing

I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 22:51:16

Chewbacca

^I think it involves quoting Harry Potter, Chewbacca^

Drat! That's me done for! sad

I wouldn’t worry.
I didn’t enjoy Special Operation and Peace or
Gone Young Female so I couldn’t suggest a password from those books.

VioletSky Tue 29-Mar-22 22:38:15

I still quite like Harry Potter

You don't have to like a person to like their fictional writing

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 22:36:14

I think it involves quoting Harry Potter, Chewbacca

Drat! That's me done for! sad

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 22:14:27

Yes-Sectumsrmpra-there’s a push to call us bleeders. There’s a clue in there somewhere!

Casdon Tue 29-Mar-22 22:07:30

You’re right Galaxy, I’d say it’s Sectumsempra.

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 22:07:19

You mean you know something about it Galaxy? I’m so . . .
Could the password to get in be Transfiguration?
(Turning one thing into another!)

Galaxy Tue 29-Mar-22 22:03:38

I think it involves quoting Harry Potter, Chewbacca.

VioletSky Tue 29-Mar-22 22:02:27

Gosh I must be terrifying lol

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 22:00:38

I don’t know, but by implication, GGJ knows there might be when she says
DD, maybe there is an 'in' gang and you're not in?
I don’t need to be in a gang, but the warning I received makes me very careful what I say!

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 21:51:15

Is their an initiation ceremony to join? Funny handshakes? Kissing a chicken's head? Handstands? Asking for a friend.

Smileless2012 Tue 29-Mar-22 21:14:12

The friendship group gangs are definitely the best Iamsmile.

Iam64 Tue 29-Mar-22 19:08:40

Catching up here. Take a day out doing Important Stuff and return to GroundHog day. Talk about kettle, pot, black. If there Are playground gangs here, I’ve no difficulty at all identifying the one I’d feel safest in

Smileless2012 Tue 29-Mar-22 18:09:22

I don't think there was a girl at my primary school who wasn't in a gang Mollygo. No Mimi's thank goodness, no nastiness just girls with similar interests joining up in friendship groups.

Happy dayssmile.

Doodledog Tue 29-Mar-22 17:50:45

GagaJo

DD, maybe there is an 'in' gang and you're not in? Probably a good thing.

?

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 17:40:03

Smileless2012

Nor me, not since primary school anyway.

Oh yes Smileless2012. Primary school calls someone called Mimi to mind. She ran that gang with an iron fist. I wasn’t allowed in because I was too independent minded.

VioletSky Tue 29-Mar-22 17:28:53

Truth always slips out lol

Smileless2012 Tue 29-Mar-22 16:36:36

Nor me, not since primary school anyway.

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 16:35:54

I don’t do gangs, in or out. Sorry to disappoint anyone.

GagaJo Tue 29-Mar-22 16:00:49

DD, maybe there is an 'in' gang and you're not in? Probably a good thing.

VioletSky Tue 29-Mar-22 15:54:45

Mollygo oh, I'm sure you have a simple explanation then?