Deliberate and orchestrated silencing of trans rights supporters on GN

I just feel sorry for all those patients who are already scared & upset with their cancer diagnosis. Going for a scan at times like this it beggars belief that this PC nonsense is directed at them. No wonder the majority of us roll our eyes.

Urmstongran

Ye gods.

From the Telegraph this morning:

“MEN are being asked if they are pregnant before undergoing scans at NHS trusts in England, it has emerged.

Male cancer patients and those having X-rays and MRI scans are being asked if they could be expecting a baby after the Government removed the word “female” from the law governing the medical procedures and replaced it with “individuals”.

The Walton Centre NHS Foundation Trust, in Liverpool, now asks “all patients under the age of 60, regardless of how you may identify your gender”.

This is some crazy world we live in now.
PC gone absolutely bonkers.
Let’s pester the 99% of patients eh with this nonsense whilst pandering to the infinitesimal number it might be relevant to - who could likely fit on the head of a pin.

It would show up the ridiculousness of it all if every male were to answer "I don't know is there a way to tell?" Bet the staff would be quick to point out that a penis and testicles rules out that possibility. This has gone beyond the tail wagging the dog!

GagaJo

It's the process of silencing VS.

Asking a question.
Demanding an answer.
Being angry when the answer isn't what was wanted.

Asking questions is how debate works. Having those questions ignored is frustrating, and repeating them is not ‘demanding’ answers. Refusing to answer suggests that there is no comeback to what has been asked.

Debates like this are very simple in form. Some people believe that transwomen are women, and others don’t. Everything else follows from that. Those beliefs hinge on an understanding of what a woman is, and debate is impossible unless both ‘sides’ make their position on that clear. There is a constant refusal to answer that question with anything other than a meaningless comment that is not explained (eg a woman is what I say it is/a social construct/someone who says they are a woman). Those definitions don’t move the debate on at all, so of course people press for (not ‘demand’ answers). If there is no requirement to answer questions how can there be debate?

Popping up in a discussion to throw insults or make snide remarks but refusing to answer questions is not debate. Shouting in capitals that others are DEMANDING answers is not debate. Playing the ‘Poor me, everyone picks on me’ card is not debate, and nor is twisting words or getting comments cancelled when you don’t like them. All of those things are ‘silencing’ in my opinion.

None of those things have happened on this thread, which is why it has remained civil. Perhaps that could continue?

We are still no nearer to knowing what you think a woman is GagaJo. Saying that it is ‘a social construct’ doesn’t help us to understand how people know that they are one, or what it is that they know they are not.

Of course, that is a possibility. But it depends on the spirit in which it's happening and with who. For some on here, it's a pattern which has unfortunately been repeated many times.

Disagreeing is fine. But using statements like 'twist words', 'you never' is hostile and just looking for an argument.

We don't agree. Fine! That is life. Being rude because someone disagrees with you isn't fine.

Lol, I'd like to be a fly on the wall if any of the originally biological males, when asked this question, reply that, yes, they could be...

Wonder what would happen then??

yes, I saw this, how ridiculous

Ye gods.

From the Telegraph this morning:

“MEN are being asked if they are pregnant before undergoing scans at NHS trusts in England, it has emerged.

Male cancer patients and those having X-rays and MRI scans are being asked if they could be expecting a baby after the Government removed the word “female” from the law governing the medical procedures and replaced it with “individuals”.

The Walton Centre NHS Foundation Trust, in Liverpool, now asks “all patients under the age of 60, regardless of how you may identify your gender”.

This is some crazy world we live in now.
PC gone absolutely bonkers.
Let’s pester the 99% of patients eh with this nonsense whilst pandering to the infinitesimal number it might be relevant to - who could likely fit on the head of a pin.

How about listening to answers, evaluating them and still disagreeing?
Not silencing, no manipulative agenda, just plain, simple disagreement?

It's the process of silencing VS.

Asking a question.
Demanding an answer.
Being angry when the answer isn't what was wanted.

I’m just wondering if there will ever be any trans men competing against males in any physical sport? Hmm….doubt it!

Also, what does "I was warned" mean?

Mollygo

Sorry that's ridiculous.

It's now the language I use?

I said "cis women", same thing

I think what I think, some things I agree with others on and some things I don't and I'm certainly not ashamed to be honest about that and there is no logical reason not to be.

I don't need your approval or your vote or anything from you at all.

So what you are saying makes no sense

No you haven’t answered. You simply twist words to give the answer you want.
A clear indication of why it would be justified to put ‘deliberate silencing of female rights supporters.’
You never read/comprehend how many times posters have said that not all TW are harmful and that females need protection from those who are.
However, I have read your posts. I have asked you about safe spaces for females. You only choose to answer about women.
TW cannot be female, ergo you haven’t answered yes or no to the question, simply hedged, by adding more words and twisted by changing the words I used.
I was warned.

Mollygo

Thank you so much
And there we have it! The answer is . . . Hedge or Twist. I can take that as read from the previous post, though I am sorry I didn’t include can’t answer as an option.

Mollygo please stop telling me what I think when I have clearly answered you.

Its the 4th time in 2 days and a clear demonstration of why the OP is justified.

Just because I'm not personally bothered about sharing a refuge with a trans person doesn't mean I ask that other traumatised women share them. Never have, never will. Trauma isn't something that can be turned on or off to suit others, I respect that and they can have whatever space they need to heal, if that's cis women only that's fine by me.

You must know that not all women in refuges would mind a trans women being there (coming from someone who lived in one for a year) you just won't allow them a voice.

Galaxy and Zoejory, I am in complete agreement, and so, I think we’d find, are most trans people.
I can’t believe, no, I just find it hard believing that anyone on here thinks that being trans means they lose their sense of honour or their acknowledgement of the harm that some trans are doing in the name of transpeople.

Thank you so much
And there we have it! The answer is . . . Hedge or Twist. I can take that as read from the previous post, though I am sorry I didn’t include can’t answer as an option.

I rarely comment on these threads, but I have spent the last few days thinking exactly what Galaxy and Zoejory have said here.

I think under 8s in a sack race might suprise you, some of them are savage competitors

Trans people should be able to do sport and they should be able to participate in events celebrating their journey to womanhood

I'm happy for trans people to play whichever sport they like.

However, in competition it just isn't fair .

How would you feel if your granddaughter had spent years cycling. Training. Hours of dedicated hard work. How would you feel if a trans person decides to compete and knocks your granddaughter out of a place? Would you think it fair?
It's happening right now

www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2022/03/27/62407cdd268e3e6b0d8b45c6.html

Critics say Bridges could leave some current Olympic medallists out of the strong British team but she says she is complying with the current rules.

I suppose that's OK with you, VS?

Galaxy

Your place in history is meaningless if you are a man beating a woman. Its similar to me winning the under 8 s sack race.

Perfectly put, Galaxy.

Even I would have a chance at winning at sport if I competed against the primary school 2nd reserves.

Ive got completely distracted by the sack race now VS

Galaxy I meant literally history, where trans people have existed for a long time. They aren't a new phenomena

Having reflected on it and my current physical condition, it might not be wise to put any money on it.

Go Galaxy go!! We’re rooting for you.

Your place in history is meaningless if you are a man beating a woman. Its similar to me winning the under 8 s sack race.