Coming out as transgender

The Tory MP in a sedate northern constituency was involved in a scandal with young Brazilian rent boys. His constituency party seems to have been totally unconcerned

No I have never voted Tory in my life. And as I said somewhere Johnson cares not a jot about womens rights or transpeople. He has seen what he thinks will be a successful strategy and is going for it. I am fairly cross with labour the party I vote for, for getting themselves into this mess. Blair would have no more made this mistake (and yes I know he made many others) than fly to the moon.

katie49

As for running a sex business, you would have thought the local Tories would have cold shouldered him, on the other hand maybe some were clients.

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No I wouldn’t vote Tory volver.
I believe all the parties need a coherent answer to the questions posed

Hypothetical situation:

All the candidates for your constituency at the next election are asked the question proposed by the three women. The only candidates who says "women can't have penises" is the Tory. You've never voted Tory in your life. You think they are the party of the privileged, they have no concept of the lives of most people and they will ruin this country while lining their own pockets. They disdain the public sector and want to sell off the NHS.

Do you still vote Tory?

Thanks for posting the link Diamond. I read it on line earlier. It’s good to see women suggesting politicians who seek our vote so they can represent us, give straight forward, honest answers on sex, gender and safe spaces for women.

I’d not heard of Jamie Wallis before yesterday. His history of business dealings and unreliability as a local councillor and more recently as an MP suggest he’s unsuitable to hold public office. Since when did leaving the scene of an accident and ‘hooking up’ with sexual partners on line become acceptable in our MP’s.

Whatever MPs, and Johnson, think about transgender, it looks as though they are going to have to nail their colours to one of the masts soon.

Three biological women, female activists seem to starting an organisation/movement insisting that they say, before votes are cast.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-10674135/Three-women-launch-significant-female-movement-Suffragettes.html

Were you all posting about how awful he was yesterday, before we knew his story?

No-one on GN would have been interested in a Welsh MP who just wasn't doing his job properly.

It’s a small country, and we are all nosey
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grannydarkhair

I'd heard of him because it was rather a surprise (understatement) when a Conservative ousted the Labour MP in Bridgend, but, as Anniebach said, it was the Corbyn effect.
Since then, and before any of this, there were grumbles about him regarding his failure to respond to constituents' concerns.

Jess Phillips, whom I respect enormously, was calling for the whip to be withdrawn from him two years ago for his dubious business dealings.
A Welsh Labour MP, Tonia Antoniazzi, supported Jess Phillips in this.

volver

Gosh, I wish I was as well adjusted and perfect as some of the other Grans. Then I could judge other people and make the world a better place.

You're doing a pretty good job of setting yourself up as self-appointed judge of other posters on this thread, aren't you?

The information about him has been out there in the press for months, I guess mainly noticed and known about by those of us in Wales. It’s a small country, and we are all nosey. He’s not the only one of the cohort of 2019 with baggage. I agree with Callistemon21 that the people of Bridgend deserve somebody who delivers for them.

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And I have been discussing sites like sugar daddy sites and the damage they do to vulnerable people for years. So i will carry on talking about it thanks.

People forget boundaries
lack of boundaries affect vulnerable people
It is allowed to be discussed and it is allowed to be discussed so laws are not changed so boundaries are changed that affect the most vulnerable
it isn't rocket science

Doodledog The “some of you” is me. I posted earlier “Who would want a man like this for a husband” and I meant it.
I truly don’t care if JW or anyone else is trans, bi, gay, whatever. What I do care about is honesty and again, from what I’ve read, this man has little to no concept of honesty.

Gosh, I wish I was as well adjusted and perfect as some of the other Grans. Then I could judge other people and make the world a better place.

Volver Before yesterday, I’d never heard of JW. But between then and when I first posted I took the time to read up on him. There’s lots of info about him out there and none of it is complementary. If it wasn’t for the fact that he has been proved to be a consistent liar in many areas, then I would have much less cause to doubt him.
If he was raped, then yes I have sympathy. If he has gender dysphoria, then yes, he should be given appropriate support to transition. And in all honesty, I find it difficult to believe that most women would behave in such a shoddy manner in every aspect of their lives so as threaten the happiness of their children.
He put himself into a totally vulnerable position by hooking up with someone of the same sex as himself outwith his marriage. It’s irrelevant to me whether he’s transgender or homosexual, if he was married at that time, then he betrayed his marriage vows. Now that might not mean very much to a lot of people nowadays but it does to others.
And as others have said, what about his duties as an MP to his constituents? If he is suffering so severely from PTSD, then why did he not resign? That would have been the honourable thing to do imo.

Don't get me wrong. I have no time for him as a Tory MP and his "business interests" sound dodgy to say the least.

But I suspect very few of us were concerned enough about him 2 days ago to devote a whole thread to his shortcomings, but now, now that he fits in with the "used trans for his own ends" stereotype, he's fair game.

It has been said on this thread that his rape is fictitious and one poster said "Who would want a man like that for a husband". I quote. So it wasn't my throwaway comment.

I think it's quite valid to compare this approach to the story of his assault and personal problems with what would be said to a woman in the same circumstances.

JaneJudge

I think it is awful that he was raped whatever situation he put himself into

It does seem clear he seems quite a complex character and maybe that is why people are concerned about changes to law. We are repeatedly told on threads that people don't change gender to avoid being charged for committing offences or in order to commit them but there seems to be a growing modern trend within men identifying as trans to avoid being associated with their crimes and in some cases doing so to gain access to vulnerable women/people also. It is OK to discuss that.

Exactly.

And it's ok to discuss it without sexist and superior comments suggesting that women enjoy watching executions.

As to whether people were saying this yesterday - speaking for myself, no, as I hadn't heard of him until the trans story broke at the same time as the ones about pimping out women and leaving the scene of an accident he'd caused by driving under the influence. It's not remotely 'victim blaming' or ghoulish to question whether the timing may just have been too coincidental to be accidental.

Who are the 'some of you' who would say 'who'd want a women like this for a wife?', and on what do you base that remark? It seems very specific for a throwaway comment.

Not me. I do think the fact that he ran a sleazy Sugar Daddy business, had many many complaints about his business, been in bother with Trading standards and others, had failed to attend any local council meetings and was sacked.......All of these things concern me. His trans status does not. His trans status should not be used to excuse his other short comings as a representative of his constituents. His rape was dreadful.

I think it is awful that he was raped whatever situation he put himself into

It does seem clear he seems quite a complex character and maybe that is why people are concerned about changes to law. We are repeatedly told on threads that people don't change gender to avoid being charged for committing offences or in order to commit them but there seems to be a growing modern trend within men identifying as trans to avoid being associated with their crimes and in some cases doing so to gain access to vulnerable women/people also. It is OK to discuss that.

volver

Were you all posting about how awful he was yesterday, before we knew his story?

Would you tell a female MP that you didn't believe she'd be raped and she was just making the story up for sympathy? Would you say "who'd want a woman like this for their wife"?

Actually, some of you would, wouldn't you?

Not me.

Please stop accusing me of things.
What are you trying to do?

If his constituents were complaining that they were not being listened to then their MP is failing them.
He must start listening to their concerns too.
Whatever our private worries, if we have a jobz/career we should still try to do it to the best of our ability

I’m completely confused by all this. Is this a man who yearns to be female or it it a woman who identifies as a man? Presumably whoever raped them had a penis, did they? Gawd!

Were you all posting about how awful he was yesterday, before we knew his story?

Would you tell a female MP that you didn't believe she'd be raped and she was just making the story up for sympathy? Would you say "who'd want a woman like this for their wife"?

Actually, some of you would, wouldn't you?