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War crimes in Ukraine

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maddyone Sun 03-Apr-22 11:23:08

The invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent bombings and acts of war have sickened the entire population of the UK and other countries, but this morning I heard something that seems to plumb new depths. My son arrived with my grandson this morning, having taken part in Park Run (grandchild got a PB today?) and my son son told me that he’d seen an item about Ukraine in which during the withdrawal from the Kviv area, the Russians had apparently shot all/many of the men between the ages of 14 and 60. They had been shot in the back of the head apparently and the bodies left by the side of the road. This is a blatant war crime and despite all the other atrocities happening in Ukraine I felt absolutely shocked and sickened. I commented that this was what happened frequently under the Nazis in WW2. I haven’t seen it reported though and wondered if anyone else has seen a report. Is this what we can now expect from the Russians in this desperately tragic theatre of war?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 07-Apr-22 18:02:18

Russia has been suspended from the UN Human Rights Council.

Apparently 28 Countries voted against this along with Countries abstaining.

Will the Russian population get to know this?

GrannyGravy13 Thu 07-Apr-22 17:06:54

volver

Do you think it will happen in the EU? (serious question, no sarcasm...)

Honestly, no.

I do not think the populations have the stomach for fuel/energy rationing, and I do not think any European Government (including the U.K.) has the balls to impose it. I hope I am proved wrong…

I personally would go along with fuel/energy rationing here in the U.K. Other than boots on the ground which I am against I cannot see any other way of getting through to President Putin. It would take weeks/months but compared to what the remaining population of Ukraine is experiencing it’s a worthwhile inconvenience.

Casdon Thu 07-Apr-22 17:05:33

Good article here from ITV news, it’s a very complex picture for the UK to achieve this goal, it must be even harder for Europe.
www.itv.com/news/2022-04-07/how-can-the-uk-cut-reliance-on-russian-fossil-fuels-and-curb-energy-bills

Casdon Thu 07-Apr-22 16:50:55

No volver I don’t. Not for lack of will, but for economic and practical reasons. It’s a war of words between Russia and Europe/UK about this. I do think that long term Russia will regret their current stance on fuel though because alternatives will ultimately be found.

volver Thu 07-Apr-22 15:40:53

Do you think it will happen in the EU? (serious question, no sarcasm...)

Casdon Thu 07-Apr-22 15:22:34

I’m keen to see a similar embargo in the UK GrannyGravy13, there has to be a way we can achieve it here too. It should actually be easier as we are less dependent on Russian fuel.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 07-Apr-22 14:40:03

I hope this goes ahead

maddyone Wed 06-Apr-22 19:58:03

Thanks Casdon. And GG13 says in the article she posted that it’s about a third of our gas that comes from Norway, so whatever the exact figure is, it’s better than if it came from Russia.

Casdon Wed 06-Apr-22 19:08:55

I just checked out the government sanctions, the current plan is to stop coal and oil imports from Russia by the end of 2022. For gas no date given, it’s ‘as soon as possible’.

Casdon Wed 06-Apr-22 19:03:49

This was my source for the 48%.
www.britishgas.co.uk/energy/guides/energy-sources.html

GrannyGravy13 Wed 06-Apr-22 19:02:28

As far as I am concerned 8% of fuel imported from Russia is 8% too much.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 06-Apr-22 19:00:04

Just found this

Iam64 Wed 06-Apr-22 18:56:25

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

Your opinion isn’t unpopular with me, I heartily concur. I would go further and supply much more military hardware to ukraine, and agree their membership of NATO and the EU within the next say 5 years.

So would I.

So would i

maddyone Wed 06-Apr-22 18:49:27

That’s interesting Casdon but certainly not unwelcome if true. It’s just that I saw the 84/85 figure on one of the news programmes at the beginning of the war. I hope you’re right.

Casdon Wed 06-Apr-22 18:46:41

We don’t actually maddyone, 48% of our gas is produced in the UK itself. The remainder does mainly come from Norway though.

maddyone Wed 06-Apr-22 18:41:07

Thank the Lord that we get 84/85% of our gas from Norway.

maddyone Wed 06-Apr-22 18:39:35

Whitewavemark2

Your opinion isn’t unpopular with me, I heartily concur. I would go further and supply much more military hardware to ukraine, and agree their membership of NATO and the EU within the next say 5 years.

So would I.

Katie59 Wed 06-Apr-22 18:08:18

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone know from where Putin is getting his arms?

Russia is a major arms manufacturer, many other countries including China use Russian weapons, either locally built or imported.

Iam64 Wed 06-Apr-22 18:01:01

GG13, I don’t see your view as unpopular. We need to do all we can to support Ukraine against this illegal invasion.

DaisyAnne Wed 06-Apr-22 17:47:15

The Czech Republic are sending tanks. They asked for tanks.

MerylStreep Wed 06-Apr-22 16:44:12

Whitewavemark2

Does anyone know from where Putin is getting his arms?

Iran and North Korea.

DaisyAnne Wed 06-Apr-22 16:42:27

From what an expert was saying on Sky yesterday many of them are very old and not up to date WWM The rate they are losing them at is much higher than the Ukraine army is - as in very much.

India, Algeria and China seem to be the top providers.

Maudi Wed 06-Apr-22 16:31:59

No but I can take a guess at how he's paying for them.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 06-Apr-22 16:16:38

Does anyone know from where Putin is getting his arms?

Maudi Wed 06-Apr-22 16:12:52

The EU sends almost a billion euros a day to Russia in energy payments compared to just €1bn aid for Ukraine since the start of the war.

Josep Borrell admitted to the European Parliament that the bloc had sent a billion euros a day to Moscow in payments since its invasion of Ukraine on February 24, but just €1 billion in weapons to Kyiv.

“We have given Ukraine €1 billion,” the Spaniard told MEPs. “It might seem a lot, but €1 billion is what we pay Putin every day for the energy he provides us. (copied from The Telegraph today)