War crimes in Ukraine

No, you won't find the same article in the Guardian. Or anywhere else, actually.

Wonder what that implies...?

I couldn't careless if certain posters believe what I post or not it's a free country and GN is a public forum. Your tip about the Guardian Newspaper thanks but no thanks.

Maudi

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

Maudi
A word from the wise. If you want posters to believe you, never never quote the Daily Mail.
You’ll probably find the same article in the Guardian so reference that.

In your biased opinion you mean.

Sorry, I'm trying to stay above it all. But euromice??

???

Maudi

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

Liz Truss isn’t the brightest bulb in the box is she?

Maudi

07:58Jaberwok

I mentioned this on another thread but no one commented. Yes Germany is financing Putin's war in Ukraine by continuing to buy oil from Russia. They should be ashamed.

Let’s not fall into the trap of hyperbole here.

The war started a month or so ago.

Germany’s economy is dependent on Russian oil and gas.

It is a massive undertaking to stop this, but nevertheless Germany intends that this dependence will cease within 6-9 months.

Other countries like the USA are providing support for them to achieve this.

Liz Truss demands EU leaders stop filling Putin's 'war chest' with oil and gas money amid revulsion at Bucha massacre - as Germany STILL refuses to back a ban on Russian energy (copied from The Daily Mail)

07:58Jaberwok

I mentioned this on another thread but no one commented. Yes Germany is financing Putin's war in Ukraine by continuing to buy oil from Russia. They should be ashamed.

Apparently Russia cannot be expelled from the UN, as they could veto any attempt to do this and are supported by China!! You couldn't make it up! All the UN can do is pontificate and wring its hands. The UN needs disbanding as it's clearly completely useless and a complete waste of time money, and space, and in danger of becoming a laughing stock. Russia, China and probably India are already laughing at this toothless tiger and it's Euromice companions.

Jaberwok

It's a pity that the EU especially Germany cannot bite the bullet and ban the importing of oil, has and coal that are clearly helping Putin fund this war and these appalling atrocities. Surely sovereign EU member states could act independently? Why don't they? Money clearly overrides people. Shameful organisation, thank god we're not members any more.

They have acted both independently and together for support and impact. The EU acting as a unit is very powerful.

It would help a lot if pressure was put on China to condemn Russia
The Russian people do have a pretty good idea what is going on but the daren’t comment for fear of being jailed. WMD and Nuclear weapons would have been used if “mutually assured destruction” was not guaranteed.
Parallel Ukraine with Vietnam, if defenders are determined they make it impossible to occupy a country however many bombs you have.

It's a pity that the EU especially Germany cannot bite the bullet and ban the importing of oil, has and coal that are clearly helping Putin fund this war and these appalling atrocities. Surely sovereign EU member states could act independently? Why don't they? Money clearly overrides people. Shameful organisation, thank god we're not members any more.

In my opinion the Russians should be ejected from the UN. They are not fit to be in it.

Whitewavemark2

I’ve just seen a video on twitter of what is being found as the Russians get pushed out of the villages that they invaded.

It looks exactly like pictures we saw of the Nazi atrocities.

... And the atrocities committed by the Russians against the Germans in WWII in revenge for what the Germans did to them earlier in the war.

And so it goes on unless we decide it must stop. The law must punish the wrongdoers. Truth must be told. We must learn to live together.

After WWII, The Treaty of Rome, leading eventually to the EU, was signed in 1957. Since then nations have grown to forget, people felt everything was fine. They wanted different, peace would look after itself. What we felt was important after the war - peace - lost its importance.

The United Nations began in October 1945 when 51 countries committed to maintaining international peace and security.

So much was done in the first years after WWII. Sadly, it seems as if the lessons have been forgotten or even simply discarded.

I’ve just seen a video on twitter of what is being found as the Russians get pushed out of the villages that they invaded.

It looks exactly like pictures we saw of the Nazi atrocities.

No, I didn't.
I might just weep (again)
Or start raging in frustration.

Anyone listening to the Russian speaking at the UN? If it wasn't so bl**dy awful it would be funny.

Zelenskyy is such a disappointment after so much promise and you can tell that there are Nazis in Ukraine because they have tattoos.

Iam64

Molisavitch (spelling sorry) was tried, So were many Nazi. I don’t know how Putin could face a war crimes court , Russia is in no way democratic and who /how could he be arrested
It’s so dreadful

Slobodan Milošević.

His son Marko was suspected of war crimes too but fled (it is believed) to Russia and allegedly lives in Moscow.
Birds of a feather

I feel physically sick when i hear/read what the Russians are doing to those poor Ukrainians.
Putin needs sorting asap.

Yes, that's it GillT57.

The one where the guy turned up with a gun to storm the basement and save the children...in a building that doesn't have a basement.

Was that the one about the paedophile ring run by the Clintons, under a pizza restaurant? I saw that first time round, and it is truly frightening just how people get carried along by something they want to believe, and no amount of proof will convince them. It is nothing new, it happened with scandal sheets handed out in the streets in Georgian times. Interesting programme.

Excellent program about fake news on the BBC last night, with Ian Hislop. Worth watching if you can on catch up. It was a repeat but had reference to the Russian situation.

Sadly, I don't think Putin will stand trial; the only way this atrocity will end is for someone close to him to assassinate him, he is on the endgame now and cannot retreat. However, he is not the only one responsible, and I don't think the 'only following orders' defence will be accepted when people like Sergei Lavrof are put to trial. He is the one who publicly states that all the film footage of Ukraine showing devastation and bodies of civilians are the work of Ukraine, fake news, done by actors. Remember the phrase 'fake news'? Trump liked to use it, also thought that Putin was a 'good guy'.

Putin will never be brought to trial so long as he never leaves Russia or in the extremely unlikely event Russia becomes a truly democratic country and the government hand him over . Realistically this very unlikely to happen.