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Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

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volver Sun 03-Apr-22 16:22:31

A couple of weeks ago we had the disastrous PR associated with the Caribbean tour, and now the judgement of the Queen is being questioned, for giving Prince Andrew such a prominent role in the Duke of Edinburgh's memorial service.

The position of the Royal Family depends very strongly on their acceptance by, and the support of, the public both here and overseas; are they losing that?

wicklowwinnie Sat 09-Apr-22 14:18:39

I think the Queen has lost a lot of respect since her appearance at the Prince Philip memorial with Prince Andrew.
It was almost as though she was saying I am accepting him and so will the rest of you.!!

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-22 14:49:01

Really? I saw a woman attending a memorial service and was
helped to walk a distance by one of her children who then took
a seat with his siblings.

nadateturbe Sat 09-Apr-22 14:53:32

I agree with wicklowwinnie. It was a very deliberate choice Anniebach.

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-22 14:56:49

Yes , a single son not a married son.

Bridgeit Sat 09-Apr-22 15:07:26

I think the Queen took a gamble & that she hopes she is still held in enough affection by the general public to let the P.Andrew situation go ,even if not forgotten.

Callistemon21 Sat 09-Apr-22 15:22:57

I think she just totally believes in his innocence and he has persuaded her that he was unaware of Epstein's and Maxwell's lifestyle.

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-22 15:35:24

That’s possible, she must be so use to lies about herself and her
family, can she blamed if she thinks it more media lies.

Franbern Sat 09-Apr-22 15:56:39

JaneJudge

My Mum wouldn't let me write to Jimmy Saville, she said she didn't like how he touched the children.

Like your Mum, I found JS on tv very cringe worthy,. I actually banned my children from watching his show - they thought I was horrible for doing that. But - Yes, - there was something about him that was always suspicious. Seems strange that it took those in power to see through him.

However, must admit that I never saw or felt that with regard to Rolf Harris. So, even my 6th sense missed that.

As for the Royal Family, I will say here, what I said when Diane was killed with her lover - that I think of them as often as they think about me!!!

Did twice refuse an invite to what was called a Royal Garden party, back in the 1970's. The idea of standing in a muddy field in the middle of London did not appeal to me.

There are many good republican countries in world, Just to look at the disasterous USA system and then condemn the whole idea is very blinkered.

nadateturbe Sat 09-Apr-22 16:03:24

I don't see how that is relevant Anniebach. I think it was an arrogant decision. A bad one.

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-22 16:14:33

I disagree nadateturbe is she the first mother to believe her child ? And he has not been found guilty

Boz Sat 09-Apr-22 16:34:03

Prince Charles has said of his mother that she sees only what she wants to see. Probably the recipe for a long life as ignorance (the deliberate sort) is bliss

volver Sat 09-Apr-22 16:42:06

Hardly a good strategy for a Head of State though confused

Boz Sat 09-Apr-22 16:45:53

No. Is it about time for a new Regency era? She doesn't have to abdicate only hand over the reins (I think).

Anniebach Sat 09-Apr-22 17:17:26

Boz when did Charles that and to whom ? In a speech or to
‘A royal expert’ ?

Boz Sat 09-Apr-22 17:25:03

Sorry Anniebach but can't remember. Probably reported as something he said in private but it has the ring of truth about it for me.

nadateturbe Sat 09-Apr-22 18:11:05

She's not just a mother though, and that makes a difference.

varian Sat 09-Apr-22 19:37:54

I think the Queen will never be criticised. She is held in too much respect.

However she will die some day and then much may change.

volver Sat 09-Apr-22 19:42:11

A few weeks ago I might have agreed with your first sentence varian, but now:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/02/naive-or-blinded-by-affection-either-way-time-queen-hung-up-her-crown

paddyann54 Sat 09-Apr-22 21:55:51

He may not have been found guilty ,but why would he pay millions to a woman he claimed he had never met if he wasn't hiding some vile secret.Of course he just thought handing over a huge amount of his mothers money would make it all go away.....no chance ,he's guilty as sin

Grany Sat 09-Apr-22 22:25:35

If he was innocent he would want to have his day in court to clear his name.

Princess Anne is currently visiting Australia - a visit that could potentially cost Australian taxpayers an extraordinary amount.

With royal tours costing us in excess of $6 million since 2011 - there’s no reason someone from one of the wealthiest families in the world should make you pay their bill.

Aussies are living through a pandemic and taxpayer dollars should be spent on essentials like healthcare - not five star hotels and extravagant dinners.

Jane43 Sat 09-Apr-22 22:40:13

I agree with you Grany, royal tours are a very outdated concept as the criticism of William and Catherine’s visit to the Caribbean showed. When Charles takes over and carries out his ideas to slim down the monarchy and more countries leave the Commonwealth they will inevitably become a thing of the past.

Casdon Sat 09-Apr-22 22:41:37

You have to admire Princess Anne’s stamina, a three day visit to Australia which started with an engagement almost immediately after her arrival. Aged 71. I’ve got family there, and when I’ve been to visit the jet lag knocks me out for the first two days.

Callistemon21 Sat 09-Apr-22 22:55:30

Casdon

You have to admire Princess Anne’s stamina, a three day visit to Australia which started with an engagement almost immediately after her arrival. Aged 71. I’ve got family there, and when I’ve been to visit the jet lag knocks me out for the first two days.

I presume she was invited as representative of their Head of State. People at the Agricultural Show look happy to see her and she'll be very knowledgable about the livestock there, a welcome visitor I should think.
Thank goodness some things are beginning to get back to normal there despite the very strict mandates.

Yes, she must have some stamina, Casdon

Franbern Sun 10-Apr-22 09:45:24

Think that Anne;s trip to Oz may be slightly easier and less stressful than yours, Casdon. No having to wait in queues to check-in, queue to go through security, and then sit alongside many other people in a seat.

For her, it will be all comfort, as at home, straight onto the plane, plenty of room, refreshments as and when and what she wants. Even space to rest up and change clothes, probably even shower, etc. etc.

Then as plane lands, she will be taken off it, no passport controls, suitcase collection points, etc.

Lucca Sun 10-Apr-22 09:52:05

Franbern

Think that Anne;s trip to Oz may be slightly easier and less stressful than yours, Casdon. No having to wait in queues to check-in, queue to go through security, and then sit alongside many other people in a seat.

For her, it will be all comfort, as at home, straight onto the plane, plenty of room, refreshments as and when and what she wants. Even space to rest up and change clothes, probably even shower, etc. etc.

Then as plane lands, she will be taken off it, no passport controls, suitcase collection points, etc.

Exactly.