The Prime Minister said there must be some parental involvement if children make life-changing decisions about gender.

MerylStreep

Please tell me I’m not the only one who thinks of this scene in The Life Of Brian everytime we have these threads.
It’s the one where Stan wants to have a baby.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3881685405244930

Or perhaps...."They are not women, just very naughty boys".... sort of from the other scene lol

It does get a bit surreal...?

Please tell me I’m not the only one who thinks of this scene in The Life Of Brian everytime we have these threads.
It’s the one where Stan wants to have a baby.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=3881685405244930

Starmer is making silly errors, trying to appease all sides of the party, but, overall, I still think he's less of a disaster than Johnson.

Johnson talks the talk, as he did with the Ukrainian refugees, and how welcome they would be - but now there's obstacles being thrown down to actually stop them actually getting here.

Plus, of course, the way the poorest are being hammered by this government, and have been since Tories took power in 2010.?

Different people have different voting priorities though.

My brother, at one time, decided he was a pirate. This continued for a couple of years so not a short term whim.

Did my parents help him have his leg partially amputated and replaced with a peg leg? Did they buy him a parrot? No they didn’t. They told him that it wasn’t possible but he could pretend to be a pirate if he wished. He grew out of it.

Me too Espee - well that plus his stance on Ukraine ??
Whereas Starmer can’t commit as to whether a person with a penis can be regarded as a woman. Labour are so mixed up and tripping over themselves so as ‘not to offend’ on this issue, it’s actually embarrassing listening to them all.

That’s the first thing I have heard Boris say lately that I agree with.

Rosie51

On 26th January 2022 Scotland (in line with some other countries) brought in sentencing guidelines for under 25s, based on worldwide scientific research, because the brain is not fully developed before then. Yet we think children are 'brain developed' enough to make decisions and take medications that have irreversible effects on their growing bodies.

I struggle to understand how a 2 year old could be so cognisant about the differences between boys and girls to want to be the other. Surely children of that age are still very much 'gender neutral' without outside influences? I'm glad it's worked out for the child you know. Children have all sorts of ideas about what they want to be. My 4 year old niece really, really wanted to be a horse and would frolic around and neigh, but we didn't affirm she was one. In her nativity play at nursery school they wanted her to be Mary, she insisted she'd be the donkey since there was no horse character. Puberty can be pretty awful for anyone. My grandson with severe autism and learning difficulties is finding puberty extremely distressing.

I don't quite understand a two year old having this view either. That is extremely young to be holding that sort of conversation.

At that age, I would think they are just toddlers, with no understanding of what sex/gender is what.

When my children/grandchildren were two, their only important (to them) thoughts revolved around going to the swing park, reading picture books, and singing The Wheels on the Bus at top volume etc...?

When I was about 6, my parents took me to see the film King of Kings, which had just been released at cinemas. I apparantly spent the next 6 months, with a Tea Towel on my head, clutching a doll, wanting to be the Virgin Mary lol. That didn't come to pass though.?

Which all seemed pretty normal. Glad it all worked out for the young person though.

It possibly is, but it's more concerning that young children are being assisted to go down a road they may not fully understand,

At 18, a person is considered an adult, capable of making their own decisions, so I don't suppose you could stop them doing as they wish.

Most psychotherapists believe that the brain isn't fully developed until you are 25. Terrifying that you could make a life changing decision at 18.

The trouble with Johnson is that he says one thing one day, and then doesn't follow through with it.

He just says what he thinks will make him popular on the day, and the May elections are coming up...?

I hope he sticks to it, although I still wouldn't vote for him, to be honest, because I think this government are trashing this country in so many ways.

But, Starmer needs to get a grip here. It really would be a shame if Labour lost the rising support they currently have just because of this.?

maddyone

Agree with everything that you’ve said snowberry.

Including saying this *I'm also horrified how many teachers are pandering to this nonsense..
By allowing this mass brainwashing in schools they are failing to safeguard our children*. ? Really ?

Agree with everything that you’ve said snowberry.

On 26th January 2022 Scotland (in line with some other countries) brought in sentencing guidelines for under 25s, based on worldwide scientific research, because the brain is not fully developed before then. Yet we think children are 'brain developed' enough to make decisions and take medications that have irreversible effects on their growing bodies.

I struggle to understand how a 2 year old could be so cognisant about the differences between boys and girls to want to be the other. Surely children of that age are still very much 'gender neutral' without outside influences? I'm glad it's worked out for the child you know. Children have all sorts of ideas about what they want to be. My 4 year old niece really, really wanted to be a horse and would frolic around and neigh, but we didn't affirm she was one. In her nativity play at nursery school they wanted her to be Mary, she insisted she'd be the donkey since there was no horse character. Puberty can be pretty awful for anyone. My grandson with severe autism and learning difficulties is finding puberty extremely distressing.

I dislike agreeing with anything BJ says, but on this issue I am in complete agreement. And like others have said, I’m disappointed (to say the least) that all the other major political parties are not saying the same.
I was brought up in a Labour voting household, my late Mum and Grandparents would be appalled at what the Labour Party has become, and the weakness of it’s prominent spokespeople.

People usually only wake up to something when it starts to directly affect them.

I'm old enough and ugly enough to have seen hrt go through numerous cycles of popularity.
When my mother's generation took it, it was in favour. Doctors would prescribe it.freely.
Then, there were a few years where there were lots of media led health scares and doctors were reluctant to prescribe it. Women had to jump through hoops to get it.
At the moment it's in favour again.
But, I wouldn't be surprised if we were due another decade of it being out of favour again.

Now, can you imagine the outcry if middle aged natural born women were to be refused hrt - a drug thats original purpose was to make WOMEN'S lives easier.
And yet Doctors will be prescribing HRT to MEN. No questions asked. Because they want to be their true selves

I can see that happening.

Maybe all these
"We should all kind" and "it's not hurting anybody" women will finally wake up.

I think the tide is turning ....
I think the war in the Ukraine is focusing minds. Less ‘la,la land’ and more questioning about issues. Less of the ‘Emperor’s New Clothes’.

Sparklefizz

At last some common sense!

Finally.

varian

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I know of a person who was born as a girl, but told her parents when she was old enough to speak, at the age of two, that she wanted to be a boy.

Fortunately she had a very supportive family and was able to transition, starting at puberty.

He is now a happy and successful young man.

Puberty must be a nightmare for children who are convinced that they have been assigned the wrong sex.

But he's not a man.
He's a transman.

Taking testosterone doesn't change your chromosomes.

An article in the Telegraph today headlined:

“I was allowed to transition at 18 without question – but I regretted it

Allie had private gender therapy to become male, but transitioned back following an autism diagnosis. Here, she shares her story...”

This is what we’re up against:

A spokesman for the online gender clinic, GenderGP, says: “We operate an informed model of care – that means we start from a position of belief if you say you are trans. Our job is not to try and validate your gender, or prove whether you are trans. Our job is to support you to make the best decisions.”

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Absolutely. cChildren ARE being used as pawns to validate the beliefs of adults.

hugshelp

Agree with everything said. Kids imagine themselves to be all sorts of things and are so easily influenced and confused. They are being used as pawns to validate the beliefs of adults.

Absolutely.

True varian. It must be awful for the (tiny minority) who feel they are trapped in the wrong body. But in my opinion, better to wait for conversion therapy until absolutely sure. I’ve read articles from young adults, regretting bitterly their decisions made in their early teens. They say mental health issues and teenage confusion played a huge part in their choices to go down the pathways they did.

I've got three grandsons at school snowberryZ one at secondary school and two at primary school. There has never been any sign of them being brainwashed into anything to do with transitioning.

I would have thought Johnson was the last person to speak on any parenting issue.