Governments failing the farmers and food industry

It is not just the government. The Labour Party seems to be terrified of explaining to the voters the truth about brexit - that it was brought about by fraud, lies and foreign interference and that it has irrevocably damaged our country - an utter disaster.

They dar not tell the truth about brexit.

About a month before the referendum I listened to a radio programme about food security. Several experts, all professionals in the field and/or academics, said that our agriculture and food production industry would be at severe risk if Brexit went ahead and that we, in isolation, could not provide adequately for ourselves.

We knew this at the time. Brexit went ahead.

Good point. Brexit has been a disaster all round. Can anyone point out how exiting has improved things? What happened to frictionless trade for instance?
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/brexit-life-outside-single-market-utter-disaster

500 tonnes of beetroot left to rot because of brexit

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-61039876.amp

Daily Express gone completely gaga.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1594556/brexit-news-warehouse-construction-boom-uk-jacob-rees-mogg

The fact that companies have had to sacrifice liquidity to maintain larger amounts of stocks on hand, is good because it means a boom for warehouse builders. Yay.

Then I got lost down a Daily Express rabbit hole that says that the UK can win the race for fusion power, if only we do it before everyone else.

Yes, that's what winning the race means

There was also a gratuitous picture of Johnson, who has nothing to do with it and isn't mentioned in the article.

(They also felt it necessary to explain what a projectile is, but that's another story.)

The chaos at Dover with lorries making the M20 a car park has barely been reported meanwhile on the Calais side - no queues.

Varian I think that there are still some voters who think that Brexit was a good thing. I've read comments on GN during the last day or so about leaving EU laws and Ursula von der Leyen
not being elected. I remember during the run up to Brexit s many of us explained how the EU voted but it's obviously been forgotten.

I sometimes think that Britain got the govt it deserved, whilst knowing little or nothing about it.

I've spent too much time over the last few days trying to look into the facts regarding the Dover queue story vegansrock. No information anywhere other than blaming P&O. If that were the case then queues would be either side of the Channel and not just Dover side wouldn't they?

A 10k queue of 4,000 lorries and Easter travel just around the corner!

metro.co.uk/2022/01/22/huge-15km-lorry-queues-at-dover-blamed-on-brexit-15964763/

And also
www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/22/dover-blames-queues-on-spike-in-freight-traffic-not-brexit

This must come as a shock to those who believed the then Transpirt Minister Chris Grayling when he assured us that under no circumstances would there be checks on lorries after brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-43425055

Coastpath

I've spent too much time over the last few days trying to look into the facts regarding the Dover queue story vegansrock. No information anywhere other than blaming P&O. If that were the case then queues would be either side of the Channel and not just Dover side wouldn't they?

A 10k queue of 4,000 lorries and Easter travel just around the corner!

Now, twitter says that ferries are leaving Dover half full because the lorries can't be processed in time to get them on board...

I don't know if it will make any difference to the holiday car traffic, though, as they go through a different channel for processing and aren't caught up in the lorry queues.

Many news programmes (Sky, BBC etc) are blaming the delays on Easter holiday demand MaizieD but I agree with you the cars are separate from lorries so that can't be right can it?

"The number of UK businesses exporting goods to the EU fell 33 per cent to 18,357 in 2021, from 27,321 in 2020, according to new data from HMRC."

www.cityam.com/brexit-onslaught-deepens-as-a-third-of-all-uk-firms-exporting-to-eu-simply-vanish-due-to-red-tape-knockout/

I wonder what Mr Mogg the Brexit Opportunities Minister has to say on all this?

A retired Freight Forwarder (so very experienced with cross border and EU movement of goods) tries to explain what the problem is:

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How do we decouple brexit from global and other impacts? The issues facing importers and exporters are being described as teething problems, will they get better?
By comparing GB with equally globally/covid hit EU or even NI.

'Teething problems' will 'get better' in same way as if you removed a leg from every new ('don't fancy this' huge churn/turnover of staff) recruit: they will eventually learn to live with it, alongside the longer term leg/sanity losers. Some better learners than others

How does the port of Dover work in relation to imports/exports, what operations are carried out by the british and the french? I explained all that here i think?

Liken a lorry boarding a ferry to you boarding a plane: staff must check (as far as can) you have relevant clearance (eg visa) for export to the country of destination. Importing country gov officials have final decision as to whether you meet import clearance to enter.
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Some people say declarations not checks are the main problems, why do they say that and is it true?
Depends if talking customs or market standards/sps. With 'customs' physical (devanning) checks can be as low as 1 or 2% depending on levels of trust on the imported goods origins.

But every single commodity needs a customs declaration and cert of origin if wanting to avoid tariffs. i.e. a pallet of goods would need same customs declaration as eg 10 x container loads of same commodity .

Therefore (as with nature of goods GB to NI) a lorry load of (groupage) goods could have 10s to 100s of diff commodities all needing a customs declaration; a parcel carrier could have 1000s of commodities in one trailer load. With 'market standards/sps' the food/organic 'checks' are much higher (up to 100% for livestock) and must be carried out at specific limited market entry points (bcps) only. They must give 24 hours notice on arrival, are time consuming on delivery to market and immediately devalue anything perishable. All shipments must be certified.

Hope that answered all the questions..

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Many news programmes (Sky, BBC etc) are blaming the delays on Easter holiday demand MaizieD but I agree with you the cars are separate from lorries so that can't be right can it?

Of course it can't be right , Coastpath. I've been across the channel by ferry loads of times and lorries are always processed separately from cars. And I've done it at peak holiday time with no delays.

It's the News programmes obeying government dictat. Don't mention the 'B' word

Exporters of perishable foodstuffs must be tearing their hair out.

Why are there no queues in Calais? Could it be because the U.K. government hasn’t yet set up the border controls into the U.K.?

Taking us for fools again.

But I do wonder how many are still believing the unbelievable.

No hope for some ??

So why did the U.K. spend millions on concreting over a huge part of Kent to coincide with Brexit?

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Why are there no queues in Calais? Could it be because the U.K. government hasn’t yet set up the border controls into the U.K.?

Everything coming from the EU is waved through. Implementation of controls on incoming goods has been delayed at least once, is due to happen in July this year, but it is suspected that they will be delayed again, or even, never implemented.

Which would give goods imported from the EU a distinct advantage. But, they'll have to get their vehicles back to the mainland; if the Dover chaos continues they might not bother to export to the UK at all.

Name me one other government, who ensures that huge bureaucracy, expense and time is inflicted on their own businesses whilst ensuring that a foreign business has done of this?

It is insane.

varian I smile when you respond to every post with "well Labour did no bar" or words to that effect. Lets look at what the present government before we make negative comments about the opposition! I think Labour is playing a very shrewd strategy: don't call out Brexit, wait, watch and let the public realise how horrific it is. For the opposition to attack Brexit and/or the referendum is red meat to the Tories. How they will blow this up and crow!! So yes the referendum included loads of fraud, corruption and foreign interference but all attempts to prove that have been suppressed or thwarted. So wait..and watch.

MaizieD's point is excellent. We are currently making our farmers and producers less competitive or impossible to deal with. Next we will cut of inward supply. That this is being allowed is either idiocy or part of some plan we know nothing about.

Where is Mogg? What is he doing?

Operation Brock set up to cope with the problems brought about by Brexit was designed to cope for a backlog of 2,000 lorries. There are currently 4,000 lorries needing to travel!

And no toilet or other facilities for all those drivers who are there for days. It’s disgusting.

Before the sacking fiasco P & O operated 11 crossings Dover - Calais each day.

I am unaware of any other operators filling these slots, no doubt this has added to the delays.