Death spiral of the Tory Party

It is not fascist to want the streets to be safe for people of all ages, to be safe in our own homes, to be protected from never ending scammers and for the criminals to be incarcerated for an appropriate amount of time, life sentence should mean just that life …

No, it's not and it is extremely strange not to want a better society where women and children can walk the streets without fear.

GrannyGravy it's is just the tactics used by those who disagree that we need women, young men, children to be safer because they've never experienced anything like it in their cushioned lives; the most violent aspects of some crimes are never reported in the press.

volver

That's not what I said and you know that very well Call.

You said that people who don't agree with these draconian (and ineffective) measures must be a child torturer. That's the tactics fascists use to get everyone to agree with them and turn against the other.

I still think its beneath you. I would have given you more credit. Maybe not any more.

That is a lie and you know it.

Digging deeper than ever today.

If you're are against this, you must be happy that someone who tortures and murders their child or laughs while a partner does so, or abducts, rapes and murders a woman from the streets should only get a relatively lenient sentence, halved for "good behaviour" then?

Its almost worth reporting.

If I was that way inclined.

Callistemon21

volver

That's not what I said and you know that very well Call.

You said that people who don't agree with these draconian (and ineffective) measures must be a child torturer. That's the tactics fascists use to get everyone to agree with them and turn against the other.

I still think its beneath you. I would have given you more credit. Maybe not any more.

That is a lie and you know it.

Digging deeper than ever today.

Surely you are more intelligent than to misread posts.

I said those who disagreed must be happy with lenient sentences.

Try reading it again.

volver

^If you're are against this, you must be happy that someone who tortures and murders their child or laughs while a partner does so, or abducts, rapes and murders a woman from the streets should only get a relatively lenient sentence, halved for "good behaviour" then?^

Its almost worth reporting.

If I was that way inclined.

So you agree they should receive tougher sentences then??
Even though that is a fascist view?

I confused now.

Please try reading it all again when you're calmer and you will see you have misread it.

If I was in the least paranoid I would think this was a vendetta as it happens daily now.

I can’t abide Katy Hopkins but if you say so.
Equivalent to the constant repetition on here from the school of belligerent, bitter, biased bull***t of James OBrien or the twitterati often quoted.
I’ve had a lovely day dancing in my kitchen to sixties music thanks to Alexa, a nice walk along the beach in the sunshine, marvelling at snow in April on the mountains of Snowdonia and then to this thread from happy to snappy to crappy so I’m off back to happy. Crack on all. Good luck Call, perhaps ask Alexa for some head banging music.

volver

^If you're are against this, you must be happy that someone who tortures and murders their child or laughs while a partner does so, or abducts, rapes and murders a woman from the streets should only get a relatively lenient sentence, halved for "good behaviour" then?^

Its almost worth reporting.

If I was that way inclined.

Volver: Is that a threat? shut down yet another discussion because you can't get every one to agree with you. Isn't that what dictators do, extinguish the opposition?

Kandinsky

I’ll still vote Tory because they’re the only party talking any sense over the trans issues.

Which is, of course, far and away the most important problem facing the country/world at the moment

And it's not at all what I said, toscalily as you can see ?

A deliberate misinterpretation possibly I think.

Headbanging *LauraNorderr? ???
Yes, I may need to

Callistemon21 That was not directed at you, I agree with most of what you have said.

MayBee70

Kandinsky

I’ll still vote Tory because they’re the only party talking any sense over the trans issues.

Which is, of course, far and away the most important problem facing the country/world at the moment

Perhaps not the most important issue MayBee but yes, it’s very important and it feels good for the silent majority to have leadership on the issue as it infiltrates many areas of our lives - single sex wards in our hospitals, a level playing field in sports etc.

toscalily

Callistemon21 That was not directed at you, I agree with most of what you have said.

Yes, I realise toscalily

Callistemon
I’m sure your imagining things ?

Not being a Tory voter I've never had the Fascist slur thrown at me before. Interesting.

I can understand why posters who might advocate stronger sentences for heinous crimes or are in favour of recruiting more police to help prevent knife crime, as I justdid, are shocked when they are accused of fascism on these threads.

Urmstongran

I can’t be bothered Lucca. It’s old ground. But Google is your friend if you want to look them up.

You never ever answer the question. You should be in politics,

Urmstongran

MayBee70

Kandinsky

I’ll still vote Tory because they’re the only party talking any sense over the trans issues.

Which is, of course, far and away the most important problem facing the country/world at the moment

Perhaps not the most important issue MayBee but yes, it’s very important and it feels good for the silent majority to have leadership on the issue as it infiltrates many areas of our lives - single sex wards in our hospitals, a level playing field in sports etc.

Do you actually think the minority care less?

Which is, of course, far and away the most important problem facing the country/world at the moment

Yes actually, it probably is.

Kandinsky

*Which is, of course, far and away the most important problem facing the country/world at the moment*

Yes actually, it probably is.

You are joking. Please tell me you’re joking….

No I’m not.
And if I were you I’d take a look over on mumsnet and see what they have to say on this issue.
Mumsnet is far busier ( & far more influential ) than this site, and has an extremely active feminist section.
Nearly all of them are switching to the conservatives over the trans issue.
They feel Labour have have completely let them down & will no longer vote for them.

In spite of the overwhelming evidence of incompetence and corruption, the Tory party will not die as long as people still read The Daily Mail, The Express, The Telegraph and The Sun and vote as instructed.

We can all see the evidence on Gransnet.

Nearly all of them are switching to the conservatives over the trans issue.

Seems very narrow to vote for a party based on one issue and without a wider regard to policies, ethics, performance and manifestos.

Kandinsky. People who contribute to trans issues threads on Mumsnet or on Gransnet are not representative of the UK voting public, they are a self selecting group.

Coastpath

*Nearly all of them are switching to the conservatives over the trans issue.*

Seems very narrow to vote for a party based on one issue and without a wider regard to policies, ethics, performance and manifestos.

The Tories have listened to their researchers who presumably read mumsnet and have jumped on.the bandwagon. It is deplorable that voters, especially women, are prepared to throw the elderly, infirm, poor, disadvantaged, working families etc. under a bus because of their anger at how other parties are unable to agree on the definition of woman.

Well these are younger women who are fearful for their future.
With the greatest respect, I doubt the trans issue is high on the agenda of your average 75 year old, which is why it’s pretty pointless talking about it on here.
But it is a massive issue with younger women & it will cost Labour, not that they seem to care tbh.