Death spiral of the Tory Party

I'm with Gg. I am, by nature, a Tory but something needs to change. So, maybe, it's Laura's way.

The thought of Keir Starmer running the country, with the any of the rest of the Shadow Cabinet really doesn't bear thinking about. I make an exception for Yvette Cooper.

Shropshirelass

Rishi Sunak has done a brilliant job as far as I am concerned. No-one else would have done as much as he has to steer us through a difficult pandemic. His wife’s family wealth etc has no bearing on things whatsoever. Personally I am fed up with reporters having a go and trying to create difficult situations. Rishi and his wife have done nothing wrong. The cost of living has risen worldwide and is affecting everyone.

The Tory party don’t agree and that is what is going to do for him.

Rishi Sunak has done a brilliant job as far as I am concerned. No-one else would have done as much as he has to steer us through a difficult pandemic. His wife’s family wealth etc has no bearing on things whatsoever. Personally I am fed up with reporters having a go and trying to create difficult situations. Rishi and his wife have done nothing wrong. The cost of living has risen worldwide and is affecting everyone.

maddyone

Yes, the one managing our money is a huge disappointment.

Not sure he is managing our money, he is more concerned with his own financial situation, wife, family, (moving), where he wants to live, India, USA, UK? and objecting to anyone having the temerity to question any of this.

No bile from me LauraNorderr just wanted to say that with respect, I disagree wholeheartedly with the views you have outlined in your post. Just my opinion.

Yes, the one managing our money is a huge disappointment.

volver

So of the people holding the 4 Offices of State in this country; one is being investigated by the police and once colluded in trying to get someone beaten up, one is a bully who was once sacked for running her own parallel Foreign Policy and wants to introduce laws that are not allowed under international law, the one in charge of how we manage our money supports his wife in avoiding tax, and the other one...well, nothing too awful on him yet.

Makes you proud to be British, doesn't it?

Certainly does !! I would also add the the one in charge of managing our money is probably the biggest hypocrite of all. To try to head off criticism of the spring statement, he attempts to ‘spin’ himself as an ordinary bloke, by borrowing a colleagues’ car and having himself photographed at the pumps - how stupid does he think we are ? When the news about his own family financial circumstances hit the headlines, he reacted with outrage, saying that it was a smear and no-one should have their finances put under scrutiny in this manner. I hope the millions of benefit claimants clocked that comment, given that every area of their lives is put under intense scrutiny before a penny is paid. They have to be transparent about their finances, why are ministers any different ?

Urmstongran

WWmk2 I said ‘Orlin’ (Laura’s husband ex-copper).
Not ORDAN.

Yes I know?

maddyone

Whitewavemark2

Not my words but senior Tories.

They fear that with the Sunak and Johnson debacle that both have lost complete respect from the voting public.

They worry that this is symptomatic of a political party in decline.

Well, we shall see. But I do believe that this country desperately needs a fresh start and new ideas, with a government of integrity and competence.

Probably not a good idea to offer any prizes for guessing which government of integrity and competence you would like Whitewave

No I think that would be an assumption at the moment.

I am not at all clear with which political party I would place my vote, until I see the manifestos.

I know that I couldn’t at present vote Tory, and from past behaviour I doubt that they will attract my vote.

I know that I am very very disappointed in the way politics has taken us over this past decade and look with horror at the poverty, division and breakdown of our treasured institutions.

The Conservative party is here to stay, might not win the next election outright, probably have to have a rather large shuffle at the top.

I think the premature elation of its demise is just that, premature…

Agree more likely to be the ‘death of the government’ (maybe, maybe not) but not the Tory party itself.

Urmstongran

WWmk2 I said ‘Orlin’ (Laura’s husband ex-copper).
Not ORDAN.

Why does that not suprise me.

It's a sunny day and there are far better things to do. Hopefully this will be back on track later.

LauraNorderr

Sadly the echo chamber rolls on. I’m off out in to the sunshine now, while the rest think up some more bile to put down those who with differing opinions.
? Urms

Isn't it a shame that the truth so damages conspiracy theories. You are well represented on GN LauraNorder. There is no bile - at least not from those who do not share your views.

WWmk2 I said ‘Orlin’ (Laura’s husband ex-copper).
Not ORDAN.

LauraNorderr

Yes Urms, Orlin and about 17 million others, not too many on gransnet though.

Why do you think GN is not a reflection of general thinking Laura.

In the election in 2018 24% of voters were prepared to vote extreme far right. This was pre-Brexit, and the poll showed voters were influenced by their wish to leave the EU. [Source: Sunday Times] Therefore it would be reasonable to assume that number has now decreased.

Even if it hasn't, the number sharing extreme right-wing views would be just below a quarter. I think that is more than represented on this forum.

LauraNorderr

Sadly the echo chamber rolls on. I’m off out in to the sunshine now, while the rest think up some more bile to put down those who with differing opinions.
? Urms

Bile? Examples?

Whitewavemark2

Not my words but senior Tories.

They fear that with the Sunak and Johnson debacle that both have lost complete respect from the voting public.

They worry that this is symptomatic of a political party in decline.

Well, we shall see. But I do believe that this country desperately needs a fresh start and new ideas, with a government of integrity and competence.

Probably not a good idea to offer any prizes for guessing which government of integrity and competence you would like Whitewave

Sadly the echo chamber rolls on. I’m off out in to the sunshine now, while the rest think up some more bile to put down those who with differing opinions.
? Urms

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

I’m with you LauraNordermy sentiments exactly. Orlin’s too I imagine.
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Yes Le Pen and Ordan would recognise that right out of their hymn sheet.

Well done.

Very scary. I'd like to think these posters do not recognise what they describe but sadly I think they probably do.

Yes Urms, Orlin and about 17 million others, not too many on gransnet though.

Urmstongran

I’m with you LauraNordermy sentiments exactly. Orlin’s too I imagine.
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Yes Le Pen and Ordan would recognise that right out of their hymn sheet.

Well done.

I’m with you LauraNordermy sentiments exactly. Orlin’s too I imagine.
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So of the people holding the 4 Offices of State in this country; one is being investigated by the police and once colluded in trying to get someone beaten up, one is a bully who was once sacked for running her own parallel Foreign Policy and wants to introduce laws that are not allowed under international law, the one in charge of how we manage our money supports his wife in avoiding tax, and the other one...well, nothing too awful on him yet.

Makes you proud to be British, doesn't it?

Casdon

I don’t think we are witnessing the death of the Tory party. I think we are witnessing the death of the current government, which are two different things. The public don’t like dishonesty, however it’s dressed.

Agreed.

I think both major parties and their supporters are in a state of flux but these are difficult times in which to form cohesive and united policies.

People are fed up with all their infighting.

The immediate post war governments? From times when we were really 'All in it together'.

I think some people were more ready believe optimistic messages, Marmadoit.
There was no social media either.

Not all though - I can remember my father's reaction to the slogan "You've never had it so good"!