Will you vote Tory next time?

No way Jose!

No one has answered my point that we could get a Corbyn clone - that's why lots of us vote Tory imo.

Well, you haven't answered my question about what scares you about the Labour party.

It can't be something as inconsequential as the very unlikely possibility of another Corbyn surely?

What is wrong with their policies and ethos?

kittylester

varian

You are so right Luckygirl

But how do we de-program the believers in this Tory dogma?

In a country where more than 80% of the newspaper readership is in the habit of reading the poisonous right wing propaganda which suits the agenda of the billionaire tax dodging newspaper proprietors, how do we ever help their readers to question their brainwashing and look for the truth?

So 80% of the population are wrong and you are right?

No one has answered my point that we could get a Corbyn clone - that's why lots of us vote Tory imo.

80% of the readers of the national newspapers are told to vote Tory and the majority of these do as instructed.

They are not 80% of the population .

Tory voters are in the minority.

Most UK citizens do not support the corrupt and incompetent Tory Party.

We need wholesale constitutional reform for the UK to become a true democracy where no government can impose its policies on the population on the basis of support from a minority of voters.

We are one of only two European countries which still elects its government by First Past The Post.

The other one is Belarus.

I don't understand why there is so much animosity towards labour over trans issues when all the changes to acts and legislation came in under tory leadership, starting with Theresa May.

It seems wrong to go against laboutr for simply trying to respect the changes made by the Tories

It definitely doesn't seem like enough of a reason not to vote for them at all in all honesty when there are so many more pressing issues than people's personal opinions about gender

Does anyone who wouldn't vote for them now usually vote for them?

As I don't want life to get harder for people, don't want the NHS to die a death of a thousand cuts, don't want the lives of the disabled to be made worse,etc......then I shall not be voting Tory and seriously am perplexed by anyone voting to make life worse for other people

Agreed kittylester

I was definitely an any one but Jeremy Corbyn voter.

Sorry that last comment should have quoted Allsorts

What made you think that?

Yes I am from London originally, have migrated a bit

The only thing I will now add, which I hope some of you won’t find too funny, is that I and the others here who feel they will vote Conservative are not using words such as “poisonous, brainwashing, corrupt and criminal” not to mention many more inflammatory comments.

varian

You are so right Luckygirl

But how do we de-program the believers in this Tory dogma?

In a country where more than 80% of the newspaper readership is in the habit of reading the poisonous right wing propaganda which suits the agenda of the billionaire tax dodging newspaper proprietors, how do we ever help their readers to question their brainwashing and look for the truth?

So 80% of the population are wrong and you are right?

No one has answered my point that we could get a Corbyn clone - that's why lots of us vote Tory imo.

What is it you want to say that you fear Labour would stop you saying Allsorts?

Violet I must have it wrong, I didn’t think you lived in the uk, but see you do.
Katie agree totally with your post, Labour not being able to recognise a woman is worrying I must admit. I also value freedom of speech and sick of Woke.

Hetty58

Never have voted for them - and never will. I really can't understand why people do. So many voting against their own interests is quite puzzling.

Turkeys voting for Christmas springs to mind...

Never have voted for them - and never will. I really can't understand why people do. So many voting against their own interests is quite puzzling.

Not sure how I'll vote. Voted Conservative as usual in 2019 knowing full well Boris was a bit dodgy, so I'm not particularly shocked by all the scandals. Gave him the benefit of the doubt, but do feel disillusioned. Trouble is the alternative party is no better, so might just stick.

You are so right Luckygirl

But how do we de-program the believers in this Tory dogma?

In a country where more than 80% of the newspaper readership is in the habit of reading the poisonous right wing propaganda which suits the agenda of the billionaire tax dodging newspaper proprietors, how do we ever help their readers to question their brainwashing and look for the truth?

kittylester

Very good post aonk.

I'm a remain voting, charity giving, volunteering, Tory voter too.

We just don't like being harangued.

That’s fine Kitty but let’s stop always saying that Tory voters get harangued …. !

volver

Fair enough aonk.

Just to add though, 43% of people voted Conservative last time round. That's not a majority.

I was just wondering if aonk had thought of trying for a late career in writing comedy...

Oh I don’t know…tat seems quite appropriate

The Tories all have the same agenda- it is about a dogma that embraces privatization - by all means vote for them if you have not noticed what this has done to the transport industry or the care sector for instance. It embraces damaging micro-management of education - by all means vote for them if you have not noticed the rock-bottom morale amongst teachers and the soaring rate of mental health problems in young people. It embraces the slow dismantling of the NHS - by all means vote for them if you have not noticed the problems of recruitment engendered by appalling staff conditions or the impossibility of getting an operation without enduring months or years of pain because the waiting lists are so long.

Dogma caps all. Never mind the cost.

I'd rather lose a finger

Never have; never will. While I have breath in my body I will never vote Conservative.

Fair enough aonk.

Just to add though, 43% of people voted Conservative last time round. That's not a majority.

katy1950

I'm not impressed by any of the parties the labour party isn't sure what a woman is , liberals who are they, greens away with the fairies, Tories too many wealthy mps

Ditto. I couldn't vote for a party that didn't know what a woman is! Laughable.

There is nobody I could put my trust in.

I volunteer as well but I am not really happy with how the voluntary sector is being used to proper up specialist services that should be provided via the health of social care sector

Volunteers don't live off fresh air either so it would suggest those that can afford not to work for pay would be more likely to be volunteer. It is rarely the case though, in my experience