Will you vote Tory next time?

Germanshepherdsmum

I do applaud a self made man Casdon, I certainly do. But why try to give the impression that his father was a humble factory hand, why not say he’d built up a small business? As kitty says, why hide it? Achievement is something to be proud of. At least Javid (sp?) was entirely honest when he kept telling us his father was a bus driver.

He was entirely honest in the same way as Keir Starmer, by omitting to mention that his father later was a small business man after his spell as a bus driver.

But Keir Starmer is leader of the Labour Party. The leaders can change but the ethos remains. I suppose one good thing is that he isn't Jeremy Corbyn but the next Labour leader might be of that ilk.

And how flipping awful that would be!

People who work in factories are generally very skilled at what they do!

Whitewavemark2

Imagine that you decided to vote for the biggest liar, most corrupt and criminal party leader we have ever had, because the opposition leader, didn’t mention (apparently- we shall see) that his father owned a small business, whilst working as a tool maker.

Don’t be daft. I voted for Blair but unless Labour returns to what it was under him I shall continue to vote Conservative. Whoever is then the leader.

Germanshepherdsmum

I do applaud a self made man Casdon, I certainly do. But why try to give the impression that his father was a humble factory hand, why not say he’d built up a small business? As kitty says, why hide it? Achievement is something to be proud of. At least Javid (sp?) was entirely honest when he kept telling us his father was a bus driver.

I expect you'll be telling us next that the Labour Party doesn't encourage aspiration.

That Starmer's father had his own small business is not news to those who have taken any interest in the Labour leadership. It's not even as though he was a bloated capitalist with a massive factory full of poorly paid workers...

Robert Peston, worth quoting in full:

‘The police have today concluded that Boris Johnson, the chancellor and the PM’s wife all attended illegal parties that breached Covid laws written by the PM.

This is most serious for the prime minister of the three of them, because it was he who told MPs on December 8 that he had been “repeatedly assured” there were no parties and that no Covid rules were broken.

He now has the challenge of his life to prove that he did not wilfully and knowingly mislead MPs - because if he did deliberately mislead MPs then he has no choice but to resign under the code of conduct for ministers, which he signed off and approved in keeping with normal practice on becoming PM.

This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my lifetime.

If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how Parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the ministerial code, then the charge will stick that this or any party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing.

This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope.’

Germanshepherdsmum

Whitewavemark2

Imagine that you decided to vote for the biggest liar, most corrupt and criminal party leader we have ever had, because the opposition leader, didn’t mention (apparently- we shall see) that his father owned a small business, whilst working as a tool maker.

Don’t be daft. I voted for Blair but unless Labour returns to what it was under him I shall continue to vote Conservative. Whoever is then the leader.

I’m not aware I mentioned you

Did I say they weren’t Jane? Some are highly skilled, some are unskilled, depends on the job. But I don’t mock honest work of any kind.

kittylester

But Keir Starmer is leader of the Labour Party. The leaders can change but the ethos remains. I suppose one good thing is that he isn't Jeremy Corbyn but the next Labour leader might be of that ilk.

And how flipping awful that would be!

Which particular ethos are you scared of, kittylester?

I think if you were to consult some left wing Gnetters they would tell you most decidedly that the ethos has changed and they don't like it at all It's too Blairite for them...

A vote is not a valentine, you are not professing your love for a candidate. It's a chess move for the world you want to live in..

Bette Midler.

I believe it was me who mentioned Starmer’s lack of openness about his father wwm. Therefore the dig seemed to be aimed in my direction.

McDonnell hasn’t disappeared Maizie. He certainly scares me.

No one in their right minds would vote for this grubby lot.

Still in my right mind last time I looked. Marbles still there.

Whitewavemark2

Imagine that you decided to vote for the biggest liar, most corrupt and criminal party leader we have ever had, because the opposition leader, didn’t mention (apparently- we shall see) that his father owned a small business, whilst working as a tool maker.

Nah! Nobody would be that daft! Next you'll be telling us that we left our biggest trading partner because of what someone wrote on the side of a bus.

Talking of which; has anyone seen the brilliant Burger King advert on the side of red buses?

A big picture of a burger with the strapline Another Whopper on the side of a bus

Gill, that has made me smile.

Germanshepherdsmum

McDonnell hasn’t disappeared Maizie. He certainly scares me.

And is he in a position of influence, GSM? Ever heard of 'broad church'?

All this discussion shows is that most of us are entrenched in our view of the different parties that we learned growing up. Tories are for the rich and privileged, Labour is militant unions.

It's been said before - what we really need is a viable alternative opposition which is neither Conservative nor Labour. We need a decent choice!

Just for the record, if a person says that his father is a tool maker he is not giving the impression that his father is a humble factory hand. A tool maker is one of the most highly skilled workers in manufacturing.

I am politically homeless was Labour but since Starmer he who thinks Isreal is a democracy and that there is no apartheid there. Attacking the left in the party starange.

Never voted Tory never will.

I will use my vote see what's best option is on the day.

Septimia

All this discussion shows is that most of us are entrenched in our view of the different parties that we learned growing up. Tories are for the rich and privileged, Labour is militant unions.

It's been said before - what we really need is a viable alternative opposition which is neither Conservative nor Labour. We need a decent choice!

I think that is mostly a fair statement. Until you look at this week's grime. Sunak the billionaire and his non-dom wife. Then it just looks like same old, same old.

Whitewavemark2

No one in their right minds would vote for this grubby lot.

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So Truss was going to recall parliament today because oof the use of chemical weapons in Ukraine, but they are now stymied because of the news of the fines and they don’t want to give parliament the chance to question Johnson. They are stuck.

What a way to run our government

kittylester

Yes unless there is a credible alternative.

Despite everything said in the OP? And there's a lot more tat could be said.

that not tat