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Who next for PM?

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DaisyAnne Wed 13-Apr-22 09:11:03

Listening to the closing interview on Today they seem to think nothing will happen until after the May Local Elections.

The suggestion was that, if Johnson is defenestrated, the next PM could not be from the current Cabinet as they are now all tarred with backing Johnson. Hunt name was the only one they could suggest.

What are your thoughts? I can't see how, if he goes, the government can continue but I do understand I have an underlying bias.

Blossoming Sun 17-Apr-22 16:05:06

Nicola Sturgeon.

StillNotGinger Sun 17-Apr-22 16:30:41

Rory Stewart
Yes I know he's not an MP but they could make him a Lord and bump him over.
I may have been fooled but he does seem to be like the old school sort of decent Tory.

StillNotGinger Sun 17-Apr-22 16:38:34

Jeremy Hunt is competent but can you really forgive him for his time as Health Secretary? He defunded the NHS and failed to respond to the clear lack of preparation for a pandemic that was a known risk (including all that out-of-date PPE) He is at least partly responsible for the 150000 Covid deaths.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Apr-22 16:41:29

StillNotGinger

Rory Stewart
Yes I know he's not an MP but they could make him a Lord and bump him over.
I may have been fooled but he does seem to be like the old school sort of decent Tory.

Stuart is no longer a Tory, and I suspect has no wish to become a member once again.

StillNotGinger Sun 17-Apr-22 16:48:22

Stewart may be tempted if he's in sight of the Top Prize with actual power.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 17-Apr-22 17:12:37

He’s decided he doesn’t want to be a Conservative. I would have no respect for him if his principles are so weak that he asks to be re admitted so he can be PM.

scrapgran Sun 17-Apr-22 17:14:48

Sajid Javid seems to have moral scruples and he does answer questions when asked. he also tells the truth as it is and he cannot turn the NHS round overnight.

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 17-Apr-22 17:21:59

I have never taken to SJ. I’ve lost count of the number of times he’s said his father was a bus driver. So what?

varian Sun 17-Apr-22 17:30:16

None of the recent cabinet have the decency and integrity we require in a PM.

Johnson has a government of yesmen amd yeswomen like Nadine Dorries who had the nerve to say in one interview " the prime minister always tells the truth"

We need a clean sweep,.

A general election.

GeorgieH Sun 17-Apr-22 17:36:56

This is the attitude they (the establishment) want.
Fewer people voting has been shown to give advantage to right-wing parties (who have been in power in Scotland and Westminster for at least a decade)!
Please vote - or -
Spoil it to show your dismay if you like, but do vote.

DaisyAnne Sun 17-Apr-22 17:39:17

The Tories, like Putin, see the virtue in power and we know what Putin is prepared to do for power. The Tories are of the same character. While they believe Johnson can win them the Red Wall seats and, therefore, a majority, they will keep him on whatever he does.

They have already abandoned their core voters. It is the Red Wall or nothing. Hence the recent debacle over the Rwanda Solution. It matters to individuals that this is a hateful suggestion that will cost us billions if it goes through. That doesn't matter to Johnson. Why? Because it will win Red Wall Votes. The Party will see this and, appalling though he is, he will stay.

He will only go if he loses Red Wall seats in the local elections. No matter that he will lose votes from conscientious life-long Conservatives. Their votes won't give him the majority the party bought him for. And bought him is what they have done. In many ways, he has and will cost them dearly. They will lose the votes of the young for decades - but they will look for another Johnson to appeal to them. And the staid old lifetime Tories will always be there to pick up the tab.

CarlyD7 Sun 17-Apr-22 17:41:11

Please not Nadine Dorries ! She's about to sell off Channel 4 so that their pals can get their hands on it (and its advertisement revenue) and turn it into yet another Netflix, and says that the BBC is next. God only knows what she'd sell off if she was PM rather than just the Culture Secretary.

Casdon Sun 17-Apr-22 17:47:52

DaisyAnne I don’t disagree with what you’ve said, but I do think the government have miscalculated. The red wall seats will be lost because of the severe stress on household budgets due to the energy price rises, and inflation. People care about immigration, but not as much as they care about being able to feed their families and heat their homes.

CarlyD7 Sun 17-Apr-22 17:49:18

It's hard to believe that with the thousands of people involved in politics, Johnson is the best we can do as PM (I'm sure that Americans thought the same when Trump made it to the White House). This shows a fundamental problem with our political systems. Time we all looked at proportional representation again - first past the post is a travesty of democracy. I would also bring in State funding for political parties (so that they weren't allowed to take funds from those who want to benefit themselves rather than benefit the majority of the population); have quotas drawn up so that when MPs are being selected a good proportion have to be from ordinary backgrounds (and not the usual Eton crowd, who haven't a clue about ordinary people's lives), and a system where candidates are called to account when they are shown to have LIED during an election - perhaps even the results being declared void. I have never, in my life, seen a politician lie so long and so often throughout his political life and suffer no consequence as BJ does - if he can get away with it, I shudder to think what's ahead for us all.

Purplepixie Sun 17-Apr-22 17:49:48

I think the whole lot should be sacked and start again.What a shower of s****!

Soniah Sun 17-Apr-22 17:55:59

Nadine Dorries? Liz Truss? God help us all!

varian Sun 17-Apr-22 18:35:46

If only we lived in a true democracy where no government could be elected with a huge majority of MPs on the basis of a minority of votes.

As it stands in our sham democracy we are reduced to the status of the poor citizens of Belarus who have to contend with a dictatorship elected by FPTP.

Who cares which Johnson poodle might be the next PM?

It should not be for the corrupt and incompetent Tory party to chose who leads our country.

We need wholesale constitutional reform to change the UK into a true democracy, voting on the basis of proportional representation.

Visgir1 Sun 17-Apr-22 19:11:34

Purplepixie

I think the whole lot should be sacked and start again.What a shower of s****!

You have to wait until May 2024 when they will call the next one.
I would put money on no GE much before that date.

DaisyAnne Sun 17-Apr-22 19:28:01

Casdon

DaisyAnne I don’t disagree with what you’ve said, but I do think the government have miscalculated. The red wall seats will be lost because of the severe stress on household budgets due to the energy price rises, and inflation. People care about immigration, but not as much as they care about being able to feed their families and heat their homes.

I do hope you are right Casdon because I feel that is all that would remove him.

RVK1CR Sun 17-Apr-22 20:03:01

BigBertha1

Not Jeremy Hunt please. Richy Rich has blotted his copybook now.

He is now Fishy Richy - become non dom and don't pay tax (wife)

growstuff Sun 17-Apr-22 22:00:21

Casdon

DaisyAnne I don’t disagree with what you’ve said, but I do think the government have miscalculated. The red wall seats will be lost because of the severe stress on household budgets due to the energy price rises, and inflation. People care about immigration, but not as much as they care about being able to feed their families and heat their homes.

It depends! If the Conservatives' focus groups have discovered that people blame the cost of living increases on immigrants, they're on to a winner.

mar76 Sun 17-Apr-22 22:28:29

Nadine Dorries. Boris Johnson's Yes Woman who is Brexiter culture secretary didn't even know what the customs union was. God help us.

MayBee70 Sun 17-Apr-22 22:31:43

I was pondering all this when I was walking the dog this afternoon. I think that the ConservativeParty(which is now the save big dog party) have worked out how long something remains in the electorates collective consciousness ( with the exception of Blair and Iraq and LibDems and tuition fees for some reason). And it’s probably a couple of years. Which is why they’ve realised that the Red Wall voters have probably forgotten why they voted for them. So they have to remind them about immigration and why everything can be blamed on ‘furriners’. Hence Rwanda.

RVK1CR Mon 18-Apr-22 11:10:08

Purplepixie

I think the whole lot should be sacked and start again.What a shower of s****!

They only got in because there was no credible opposition, still isn't, Mr Hindsight would be out of his depth. I think you have to go back to Thatcher to get a decent leader and she wasn't perfect. What a shower of * is about right

patrish Mon 18-Apr-22 14:38:09

since when did you have to go to a comprehensive school to be normal-and,yes ,I did go to one