Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Which Tory donor company will be getting the contract for shipping refugees to Rwanda, do you think?

Also I hadn’t appreciated this but yes more steamrollering over accepted rules.

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Yesterday’s divisive #Rwanda announcement was made on 1st day of pre-election Purdah rules for local elections. Ministers aren’t meant to make announcements of “new or of a long-term character”.PM breaks law, & continues to corrode & chip away at our democratic standards

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Whitewave I think I've already posted the link to that statement somewhere. To be fair, it wasn't Johnson who said it, but the UK's International Ambassador for Human Rights to the UN Human Rights Council, but it's on the official government website.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/un-human-rights-council-universal-periodic-review-adoption-rwanda

I find it difficult to believe that Rwanda has really cleaned up its act in 9 months.

Daisyanne ??? Excellent posts - thoughtful, measured and intelligent. Thank you!

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GG13 you made one of the suggestions at 10:31!

I do wonder if some people (not you) just want to see suggestions such as "push them back" or "put them in camps", so they don't think other things are real suggestions?

Oh dear ??? I am off out now for the day, I think it’s best I stay away from GN till the morning…

Have a good day GG13 (seriously). FWIW I think you've been quite constructive.

Praise indeed.

Whitewavemark2

Which Tory donor company will be getting the contract for shipping refugees to Rwanda, do you think?

The Army?

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“If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in 1930s Germany…

Your attitude towards this Rwanda scheme will tell you everything you need to know”

Indeed

So what would they like to do to the rest of us? Send OAPs off somewhere?

Thank you LizzieDrip

Whitewavemark2

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“If you’ve ever wondered what you would have done in 1930s Germany…

Your attitude towards this Rwanda scheme will tell you everything you need to know”

Indeed

It would be interesting to know why those who are backing it think this is different to attitudes in 1930s Germany.

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"As rabbis and members of the British Jewish community, we are utterly appalled by government’s inhumane plans to send asylum seekers to Rwanda for offshore processing. Such a policy flies in the face of Jewish values, and would be a cruel, moral failure".

trisher

So what would they like to do to the rest of us? Send OAPs off somewhere?

No, they let us sit in ambulances outside hospitals for 12 hours then sit on hard chairs in the hospital for 24 hours until you fall off the chair.

Hey presto- another one bites the dust.

It might be a bit better in England, of course.

I wouldn't mind betting there are some trained medics amongst the asylum seekers. How about letting them work?

I was at a meeting the other week growstuff and a young woman was speaking about her wait for her asylum request to be processed. She spoke excellent English and has a degree but she isn't permitted to work. Such a waste of talent.

Callistemon that's funny but scary! A bit too near the truth.

My gut feeling is that this 'plan' is pure theatre, that the Government knows perfectly well that it is unacceptable, unworkable and will never happen.

What will happen is that after all the publicity and the arguments, when the inevitable abandonment comes to pass, this Government will then shout from the rooftops that they were the party who tried to solve this serious problem but were thwarted by liberal lefties. An important section of the electorate whose knowledge of politics begins and ends with tabloid headlines will believe them and will vote accordingly in the coming elections. Job done!

trisher

I was at a meeting the other week growstuff and a young woman was speaking about her wait for her asylum request to be processed. She spoke excellent English and has a degree but she isn't permitted to work. Such a waste of talent.

Callistemon that's funny but scary! A bit too near the truth.

It's true, trisher, so I was astonished when someone younger attended A&E and was in, seen and out in 4 or 5 hours.

Old people are pushed to the back of the queue here.

It appears that Patel was forced to issue a “ministerial directive” because the most senior civil servants objected to the Rwandan forced settlement scheme.

Good to know there has been pushback against this fascist policy.

Tobias Ellwood, the Conservative chair of the defence select committee, accused Johnson of unveiling the plans (Rwanda) as part of a “massive distraction” from becoming the first prime minister to be found guilty of a criminal charge while in office.

I agree.

UN has warned Johnson that the Rwanda plan is against international law.

Not that has ever stopped Johnson.

The rule of law doesn’t apply to him apparently.

Whitewavemark2

It appears that Patel was forced to issue a “ministerial directive” because the most senior civil servants objected to the Rwandan forced settlement scheme.

Good to know there has been pushback against this fascist policy.

Almost certainly because it is against the law.

Civil Servants must not break the law in their administering policy.

So Patel forced it through.

What a disgusting lot they are.

It will be popular with the Red Wall who lent their vote to Boris to get Brexit done (they wanted to control our borders) it will be popular in towns awash with fit young economic migrants lounging in 4 star hotels while some locals are struggling on benefits and food banks.

I wonder what sitting on the fence Starmer will say.

From latest polls, the Red Wall are deeply disillusioned with this government.

They aren't being levelled up, and they (along with the rest of us), are suffering from rocketing prices and costs.

They thought Brexit would solve everything, and it obviously hasn't.

Those Red Wallers in Yorkshire are also furious that migrant detention centres are going to be built up there.

My view is this Rwanda thing will never come to pass -it'll be another expensive Johnson flop, being fought through the courts for months/years. ?

But, it did the job last week - changed the headlines from Partygate.

Patel has had to take responsibility for this as apparently civil servants could not come up with modelling. The whole plan is just ridiculous.