Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

It’s bizarre and chilling. What mindset can the government have that it would healthily take our minds off
party-gate? It just confirms their judgement as appalling.
Imagine not hard, that someone has been sent to Rwanda, a dictatorship with poor human rights records. How could anyone escape from there seeking asylum in U.K.? Talk about 1984, Catch 22. Or any dystopian future.
And so many families like Priti Patel’s were given asylum by us from Uganda. Talk about pull up the rope jack. It’s absolutely awful. Rwanda still lives in our memories as a synonym for hell on Earth. And don’t they know it. Or they have such steely hearts and ears of tin.

Maudi

It will be popular with the Red Wall who lent their vote to Boris to get Brexit done (they wanted to control our borders) it will be popular in towns awash with fit young economic migrants lounging in 4 star hotels while some locals are struggling on benefits and food banks.

I wonder what sitting on the fence Starmer will say.

I would hope that their are not so many Nazi’s in this country as you may hope.

This is taken right out of the Nazi hymn sheet.

Daisymae

Patel has had to take responsibility for this as apparently civil servants could not come up with modelling. The whole plan is just ridiculous.

Because it is illegal. Against international law.

Civil servants can’t knowingly break the law, and will only do so if directed by a minister.

Ha ha when losing the argument bring up the Nazi's so predictable, you've already mention fascists what next let me think Hitler ? or Nigel Farage could even be both a double whammy.

French fascist Marine le Pen thinks sending migrants to Rwanda is a good idea. No surprise that she's backing Boris again. She joined Putin and Trump in backing brexit

www.standard.co.uk/news/world/right-wing-france-presidential-candidate-marine-le-pen-boris-johnson-rwanda-plan-b994573.html

Maudi

Ha ha when losing the argument bring up the Nazi's so predictable, you've already mention fascists what next let me think Hitler ? or Nigel Farage could even be both a double whammy.

Not sure of your point. Didn’t the Nazi’s have exactly the same plan in the 1930s before they decided on the final solution?

You may wish to look it up

It was known as the Madagascar Solution.

In our case it is the Rwanda Solution.

If, as we are told, this proposed arrangement is mainly to stop the illegal human traffickers from continuing to make so much money by charging large amounts to put these poor people into dingies - then surely, the easier and much cheaper (as well as humane ) solution would be to provide an easy and speedy processing system in Calais and then to provide safe and appropriate ferries over to the UK.

Anyone checking on actual umbers knows that the only a comparative small number of these refugees actually want to come to UK. Those that do it is usually because they already have ties with this country through language and family.

The UK has a small number of refugees wanting to come here, proportionate to our size and population numbers than countries like France and Germany, etc. It is just totally untrue and pure propoganda which states they are all coming here because of our wonderful (sic) benefit system!!!!

Would those that know about this wonderful system, please share the information with the rest of us.

So, those fleeing from war and bombing in Ukraine and welcomed in UK, but those fleeing war and bombing in non-European countries are just scroungers, and deserve to be sent thousands of miles away to Concentration Camps.

Michael Rosen ????
@MichaelRosenYes
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It emerged on the News last night that Priti Patel had not priced the Rwandan experiment, no one has checked the legality of it, or the practicality of it, no one can say what would happen if people refused to be transported to Rwanda...

DaisyAnne @ 13.49 yesterday - I speak of pieces by reporters on television news which would stand the test for use as evidence in an English court. Not opinion or hearsay.

Whitewavemark2

Michael Rosen ????
@MichaelRosenYes
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It emerged on the News last night that Priti Patel had not priced the Rwandan experiment, no one has checked the legality of it, or the practicality of it, no one can say what would happen if people refused to be transported to Rwanda...

She won’t have priced it etc, because civil servants won’t break the law.

That is why she issued a Ministerial Directive

So the whole plan is half baked, illegal and widely condemned. Sounds perfect. If you are trying to deflect attention.......

Daisymae

So the whole plan is half baked, illegal and widely condemned. Sounds perfect. If you are trying to deflect attention.......

Yes but the charade went as far as flying Patel all the way to Rwanda and signing some document - so god knows.

Maudi

It will be popular with the Red Wall who lent their vote to Boris to get Brexit done (they wanted to control our borders) it will be popular in towns awash with fit young economic migrants lounging in 4 star hotels while some locals are struggling on benefits and food banks.

I wonder what sitting on the fence Starmer will say.

It takes more information for someone to believe something they don't want to believe than something they do. Hopefully, more information will be made available about this illegal, uncosted, barbaric step the government is proposing to take.

I appreciate that standing up for the truth in this case challenges the personal beliefs, group identity or perceived moral values of the groups you describe as being prepared to back the government. By drawing a picture of towns awash with fit young economic migrants lounging in 4 Star hotels you declare your bias very loudly.

If you are talking about asylum seekers, they are not allowed, by this government, to work until their application is processed. Asylum Seekers may not earn. Asylum Seekers are given a small subsistence allowance of £40.85 a week. Deliberately or because of government incompetence, being at the application stage can be stretched out for months or even years. This treatment has raised human rights issues against the government. It is part of the deliberate moves to create a Home Office Hostile Environment.

If they turn out to be economic migrants then it is the fault of government processes if they are still waiting to either be allowed to come here to work or sent home.

I'm sure you believe that your description, of this mythical group, is based on fact. The German population in the 1930s was also unethically manipulated by similar propaganda and repeated tropes. In that case, instead of asylum seekers, they attacked the Jews. The part of the population that responded may have been already culturally biased against the Jews. However, the increase in hate speech, the attacks, and all we know that came after that, were government-driven.

This latest change in how we process asylum seekers - a very select group of asylum seekers - is being used for the same purpose.

I am very aware that we all, me included, have an inbuilt bias. If you can give me facts to back your post, I am happy to listen.

I expect a lot of people would be pleased to have £40.85 a week after paying for their housing and fuel.

The UN has declared that this proposal to deport refugees to Rwanda is a breach of international law

Germanshepherdsmum

I expect a lot of people would be pleased to have £40.85 a week after paying for their housing and fuel.

Your point?

If you are in that position or know someone who is GSM I would be happy to try and help with claiming benefits. There are also many wonderful and knowledgeable people on the Pensions and Benefits Advice Forum

Personally, with no means of cooking and often having to be out of their accommodation all day, I think food would take up a great deal of the £40.85. I doubt many if any would choose to swap with them.

It would be interesting to have your take on the law and how Patel has had to over-ride her Civil Servants and go with no costings in this case.

I think you know full well that I am not in that position DA but those who have to choose between heating and eating don’t exactly have much on which to subsist.
I can’t assist you with your question about the law - not my field.

09:34DaisyAnne

You are doing it now mentioning Germany and the Jews, this situation is nothing like that. The economic fit young men arriving in dinghies after pushing themselves to the front of the queue by paying the people smuggler gangs 3000 pounds or more to get here aren't fleeing wars or bombing they just fancy living in the UK, sod the poor buggers who can't pay, the genuine refugees, never mind the women and children they are leaving behind in supposed war torn countries, only a coward would leave their women and children and save themselves in my opinion. Some people must be very naive. Yes by all means welcome genuine refugees like the Ukrainian women and children who have left their men in Ukraine fighting for their country, I salute these men.

And there you have it. Civil servants thinking they can pick and choose which policies they implement. The Home Secretary is often pilloried for not dealing with illegal immigration, but now we know why.

Cummings was right re The Civil Service.

varian

The UN has declared that this proposal to deport refugees to Rwanda is a breach of international law

Yet Denmark is looking into it too?

I'm not sure if I'm remembering this correctly but did Australia not do something similar when they had, what I dimly remember as 'the boat people'? It was an attempt to stem the flow/make trafficking unattractive I think.

And people like GSM who I had thought a bit smarter than to be swept along by the right wing propaganda....has now swiftly moved the blame for people suffering during the cost of living crisis onto the shoulders of asylum seekers. Slam dunk! On Twitter, the general opinion is that the Rwanda camps wont happen but Johnson et al will use this to attack "left wing wokery" and the Daily Mail will feed its followers with headlines such as the "Enemies of the State" that we have seen before

Germanshepherdsmum

I think you know full well that I am not in that position DA but those who have to choose between heating and eating don’t exactly have much on which to subsist.
I can’t assist you with your question about the law - not my field.

Just out of interest what was "your field", out of interest? Always good to know who the experts are on here.