Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

You’re right of course Aveline but Oz got slated for Nauru. It was seen as a ‘deterrent’. Sending a message to say ‘you can’t just queue jump and rock up’.

Immigration is a toxic subject. Europe is destabilising. Look at the Paris suburbs. No wonder Le Pen is gaining traction on the issue (although Macron will still win. The French moan, demonstrate, burn tyres, then vote for the continuity candidate).

This from the Guardian - October 2020:

“For any offshore processing scheme to be lawful, the human rights and protection needs of all asylum seekers, refugees and migrants who encounter it must be respected. This includes procedures to identify – case by case – whether people will be at risk of persecution or other serious harm in the country where the centre is located (or in any other place to which that country might send them). This can be very time-consuming and resource-intensive. EU experience shows that it can take longer for a transfer decision to be made than for a substantive asylum claim to be considered.”

Fair point.
So WHY are our civil servants not dealing with issuing asylum claims MUCH faster?

The whole thing has become a joke. I think Boris is hoping the first Army plane over to Rwanda is reported upon extensively and that migrants in the UK text their mates saying ‘don’t bother’.

The French MUST know the people trafficker’s M.O. The dinghies have to be sourced from Belgium or wherever. It’s a complex and highly lucrative business operation making millions of euros for the awful cocky people who run it. They must be feeling pretty invincible, getting away with it month after prosperous month.

So, Labour, the Church, The UN don’t like Boris’ proposals? Okay.
What DO they propose instead?

I know my career fascinates you DA, but it's totally irrelevant to the thread and none of your business if I may say so politely. If you knew my name you would be able to find out, but we're all anonymous here.

Of course you may GSM. We all decide what we want on open forums, just as I had to impress on you when you asked for personal knowledge about me in the past.

They were discussing the cost to Australia of the scheme they implemented. Can't remember the exact figure but it was over 1million for each refugee. So anyone who imagines it will save money is mistaken it will cost more.

As for the asylum seekers on £40 a week. I met a woman the other week. She has a degree and speaks English very well. She spends her time doing voluntary work, because she is not allowed to work. She wants to get a job and pay taxes but it's forbidden.

Urmstongran
So, Labour, the Church, The UN don’t like Boris’ proposals? Okay.
What DO they propose instead?

Open borders let them all in.

I'll be interested to hear what sit on the fence Starmer has to say.

Anyone find it ironic that PP whose parents left Africa as refugees is planning on sending some back there.

They were discussing the cost to Australia of the scheme they implemented. Can't remember the exact figure but it was over 1million for each refugee. So anyone who imagines it will save money is mistaken it will cost more

But then guess what trisher? It stopped. No more trickling payments (like us) of £350 million a week. I checked. Shocking amount ... and no end in sight!

As I said earlier, if not this, then what??

Ah. Open borders Maudi? What fun.
Yet okay for those who shout from the sidelines in say sleepy pretty Devon villages, or maybe Anglesey or the Cotswolds.

Has anyone driven through Bradford of Birmingham lately? I was shocked.

Urmstongran

Ah. Open borders Maudi? What fun.
Yet okay for those who shout from the sidelines in say sleepy pretty Devon villages, or maybe Anglesey or the Cotswolds.

Has anyone driven through Bradford of Birmingham lately? I was shocked.

What were you shocked at?

The Labour Red Wall seats who gave their vote to Boris to get Brexit done and take back control or our borders will agree with this scheme I would think. Yes I travel around the country a lot its an eye opener.

Urmstongran

^They were discussing the cost to Australia of the scheme they implemented. Can't remember the exact figure but it was over 1million for each refugee. So anyone who imagines it will save money is mistaken it will cost more^

But then guess what trisher? It stopped. No more trickling payments (like us) of £350 million a week. I checked. Shocking amount ... and no end in sight!

As I said earlier, if not this, then what??

Yes, and all those people who committed suicide and went mad?

Worth it, eh? At least the Australians saved money. That's what counts.

Looks like they may have a fight on their hands. But isn't that what they want? People looking the other way? Https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/apr/16/peers-will-fight-uk-governments-awful-rwanda-plans-says-lord-dubs?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Anybody who thinks the Australian solution is one to copy is mistaken.

Anybody who thinks we're talking about "open borders" is mistaken.

Anyone who thinks it this or nothing, is mistaken.

I'm being polite.

It's not like me.

Maudi

The Labour Red Wall seats who gave their vote to Boris to get Brexit done and take back control or our borders will agree with this scheme I would think. Yes I travel around the country a lot its an eye opener.

Why is it an eye opener.

I also travel around the country, and can’t think what you mean.

It’s not PC to say ‘committed suicide’ volver I thought you’d definitely be on that! No longer illegal. People usually say ‘took their own life’ these days. Or ‘death by suicide’.

Semantics I know but you’d pull anyone else for a faux pas like that.

Anyway ... alternatives anyone?

Maudi

09:34DaisyAnne

You are doing it now mentioning Germany and the Jews, this situation is nothing like that. The economic fit young men arriving in dinghies after pushing themselves to the front of the queue by paying the people smuggler gangs 3000 pounds or more to get here aren't fleeing wars or bombing they just fancy living in the UK, sod the poor buggers who can't pay, the genuine refugees, never mind the women and children they are leaving behind in supposed war torn countries, only a coward would leave their women and children and save themselves in my opinion. Some people must be very naive. Yes by all means welcome genuine refugees like the Ukrainian women and children who have left their men in Ukraine fighting for their country, I salute these men.

Why would we not mention "Germany and the Jews". It is the best and most recent example we have of the use of propaganda that is similar to that the Johnson government's are employing.

You said (removing the rhetoric) The economic fit young men ... aren't fleeing wars or bombing. What proof of this are you giving? So far I haven't seen anything other than what seems to be anger.

According to government figures that is not true in the majority of cases. A little less motivated reasoning and a few more facts would help.

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Come on UK. Are you happy with a party that tries to save its flagging arse by announcing an ugly plan to ship vulnerable asylum seekers out on a one-way ticket to Rwanda? Lawbreaking, corruption, inhumanity and expensive incompetence. Is that what you want from your PM and govt?

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Maudi

09:34DaisyAnne

You are doing it now mentioning Germany and the Jews, this situation is nothing like that. The economic fit young men arriving in dinghies after pushing themselves to the front of the queue by paying the people smuggler gangs 3000 pounds or more to get here aren't fleeing wars or bombing they just fancy living in the UK, sod the poor buggers who can't pay, the genuine refugees, never mind the women and children they are leaving behind in supposed war torn countries, only a coward would leave their women and children and save themselves in my opinion. Some people must be very naive. Yes by all means welcome genuine refugees like the Ukrainian women and children who have left their men in Ukraine fighting for their country, I salute these men.

Why would we not mention "Germany and the Jews". It is the best and most recent example we have of the use of propaganda that is similar to that the Johnson government's are employing.

You said (removing the rhetoric) The economic fit young men ... aren't fleeing wars or bombing. What proof of this are you giving? So far I haven't seen anything other than what seems to be anger.

According to government figures that is not true in the majority of cases. A little less motivated reasoning and a few more facts would help.

There is zero evidence for maudi’s claims. Until the facts have been established - and they can only be established by questioning the asylum seekers you simply are talking nonsense.

Urmstongran

It’s not PC to say ‘committed suicide’ volver I thought you’d definitely be on that! No longer illegal. People usually say ‘took their own life’ these days. Or ‘death by suicide’.

Semantics I know but you’d pull anyone else for a faux pas like that.

Anyway ... alternatives anyone?

It's "not PC" to imprison people in camps full of huts on remote islands either.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/24/nauru-offshore-regime-to-cost-australian-taxpayers-nearly-220m-over-next-six-months

Anyway, as I said above, this thread is full of alternatives but none of them involves bullying our way around the world or being nasty to desperate people, so they don't get talked about by those who think that's the way to go about things, do they?

You can have a go at the Guardian as well now. Don't say I'm not good to you.

Sometimes, we get to a point where posts are so wicked, so racist, so bad, so disrespectful, that words aren't enough.

Today's the day.

Maudi

*Urmstongran *
So, Labour, the Church, The UN don’t like Boris’ proposals? Okay.
What DO they propose instead?

Open borders let them all in.

I'll be interested to hear what sit on the fence Starmer has to say.

Aren't most people advocating that the government gets a grip and employs some efficiency? They could, if they chose, process asylum claims very quickly; the government has made a conscious decision to string these cases out. They could, if they chose, have a proper setup in France and process quickly there. They could, if they chose, and as they are doing with the Ukrainian refugees, allow these people to work while the applications are processed.

They could, if they chose, become a more effective, capably run machine of government instead of the inefficient, inadequate, incompetent one we have currently.

Urmstongran

Burkhas galore for the women with trainers underneath, Men wear shalwar kameez, kurta, Pakistani Waistcoats. The shops are akin to market places with all manner of greengrocers, hardware and litter festooning the pavements. Driving through to Edgebaston I felt I’d been transported to Pakistan. You don’t see this up in the Highlands of Scotland or over in the Shires. I could not imagine living there, driving through it all was enough.

Yes shocking to be like me? To want my country of birth to reflect (mostly) the way of life I’ve always grown up with.

I like Muslims. I have medic friends who are. I’m just amazed by how much our cities in the Midlands have changed beyond all recognition.

Ask yourself.

Do Orthodox Jews live their own culture?

Do Hindus live their own culture

Do Buddhists live their own culture

Do Christian’s live their own culture

Do humanists live their own culture

My goodness that post takes the absolute biscuit.

There is a very short step between that attitude displayed in your post and the sort of hate we see displayed by the proud boys and white supremicists .

volver

Sometimes, we get to a point where posts are so wicked, so racist, so bad, so disrespectful, that words aren't enough.

Today's the day.

Yes.

True colours

I forgot in my previous post, mention the racist card to stop debate.