Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Whitewavemark2

This from todays Times

So true. Great letter from the Revd.
Thanks for posting.

If, somehow, processing of asylum seekers who arrive in boats (I've heard them called 'rubber taxis'!) was speeded up it seems likely that many would become the 'failed asylum seekers' that we hear about. What would happen to them?
I'm very struck by comments from people who live on the south coast. It's easy for us up here to complain about their attitudes but it must be very worrying for them.

Urmstongran

Me too JenniferEccles.

I think the problem with the laws concerning migrants is that they were drawn up in an age that no longer exists. While persecution and oppression have always exisited the ability to relocate across the globe has become increasingly achievable even for relatively poor people - some of whom fall prey to organised gangs. Someone from a village in Bangladesh with no education or English who aspires to a better life can be in say, Sheffield in a matter of a few months. He will find his countymen here, a legal aparatus to keep him here, communciations to keep in touch with his relaitves and friends back in his village and a black economy to top up his UK state support. There is no requirement for him to learn English or integrate. He can even watch TV channels in his language via satellite. He can live with the belief that soon his friends and relatives will be able to join him and they can live the good life supported by a 'host' people he has no need to engage with while his Bangladesh is on the edge of Peak district

Except that the majority of people attempting to cross the Channel by boat have never been anywhere near Pakistan.

They're coming from Iran, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Sudan, South Sudan and Yemen. It doesn't take more than a cursory glance of the media to realise that conditions exist in all those countries to give people real reasons for wanting to leave.

Aveline

If, somehow, processing of asylum seekers who arrive in boats (I've heard them called 'rubber taxis'!) was speeded up it seems likely that many would become the 'failed asylum seekers' that we hear about. What would happen to them?
I'm very struck by comments from people who live on the south coast. It's easy for us up here to complain about their attitudes but it must be very worrying for them.

Very worrying for the people of Rwanda too, if they have thousands of unwilling, disaffected young men dumped on them.

This policy is red meat to all the racists, who are now crawling out of the woodwork.

What would happen to them?

What do you think would happen to them Aveline?

Clue: Same as happens to them today, but quicker.

But ... hey ... let's just offshore our problems to a poor, overcrowded developing country, despite being one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

growstuff

Aveline

If, somehow, processing of asylum seekers who arrive in boats (I've heard them called 'rubber taxis'!) was speeded up it seems likely that many would become the 'failed asylum seekers' that we hear about. What would happen to them?
I'm very struck by comments from people who live on the south coast. It's easy for us up here to complain about their attitudes but it must be very worrying for them.

Very worrying for the people of Rwanda too, if they have thousands of unwilling, disaffected young men dumped on them.

I live on the south coast. People seeking asylum have been part of our life for ages. It makes not a jot of difference, not remotely worrying.

I would just like to see it all done in a civilised way, by giving them safe passage, humane accommodation whilst their application is being considered and the Home Office a kick up the ass to get their house in order.

I have had the misfortune to work with the Home Office in the past and they are notorious for their incompetence.

volver I really don't know what happens to 'failed asylum seekers'. whitewavemark2 I'm glad you're not worried about the situation of all these people arriving on doth coast beaches but lots of others are.

Aveline

volver I really don't know what happens to 'failed asylum seekers'. whitewavemark2 I'm glad you're not worried about the situation of all these people arriving on doth coast beaches but lots of others are.

From what I've seen, most of them are picked up fairly rapidly and taken to a detention centre. It's in their interests to be picked up because they can apply for asylum. Of course the situation is worrying, but it's a global problem. There are currently millions of displaced people in the world - many more than the few thousand who land on south coast beaches. The UK is one of the richest countries in the world. Unless it wants to become a pariah state, it has a duty to play a part in trying to mitigate some of the trauma. Offloading single men to a third world country isn't playing a constructive part.

The people arriving in boats have proven initiative and resilience. What kind of country are we that we can't find them a useful role?

Urmstongran:
Well if implemented as presented it will lead to a dramatic reduction in the small boat flotilla and put both trafficking gangs and dodgy lawyers out of business.

You cannot and do not know that Urmstongran. Worst still, because of a lack of modelling, neither does the government.

Whitewavemark2

I have always suspected by reading posts that they support the sort of behaviour you so often see emanating from white supremicists, fascists and Nazi supporters, but quite honestly I still find it shocking when it is there in black and white.

I hope with all my heart that this sort of attitude is very much in the minority.

Numerous surveys have shown that about 20% of the population has definite racist views. The group has quite a clear cut demographic profile.

DaisyAnne it apparently worked in Australia. That must be where they got the idea from.
I must say it struck me as an odd thing to do though.

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

"Failed asylum seekers" get deported. Sometimes via detention centres, where they are held for undetermined periods without any contact with their friends or legal representation.

"It" did not work in Australia. Australia's policy has been repeatedly shown to be inhuman and to cause untold suffering. People kill themselves in detention because all hope is gone. They literally go insane. If we're going to say that works, then we might as well shoot them as they come ashore because at least that would be quick.

But it didn’t work in Australia - their offshore detention has been a humanitarian nightmare. People smugglers will just be more inventive at bringing people in under the radar without any reference to the authorities.With miles of coastline that is relatively easy. Remember those 57 Vietnamese in the back of a lorry?

Aveline

DaisyAnne it apparently worked in Australia. That must be where they got the idea from.
I must say it struck me as an odd thing to do though.

I don't believe is has worked in Australia Aveline, but it is a while since it's come into my conversation with my Australian branch of the family. As I remember, as well as them being condemmed around the world, it has also cost far more than they anticipated - it has been extremely expensive. In truth most immigrants arrive in Australia on a plane. My son was one such.

I have texted him to get his opinion but I doubt I will get a quick reply.

condemmed condemned

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/rwanda-migrants-where-has-e2-80-98offshoring-e2-80-99-been-used-for-asylum-seekers-before/ar-AAWcSbB?ocid=uxbndlbing

Australia, Israel, Denmark.

Scott Benton MP ????????? ?
@ScottBentonMP
Elected ministers decide policy, not civil servants. It’s completely unacceptable to refuse to deliver a policy which commands democratic support. Plenty of jobs in the private sector for those who feel unable to carry out their orders.

My underlining.

Who mentioned the Nazis?

DaisyAnne

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

Agreed. There's nothing can be done about them. It's more worrying when they get another 31% to think they have a point.

volver

Scott Benton MP ????????? ?
@ScottBentonMP
Elected ministers decide policy, not civil servants. It’s completely unacceptable to refuse to deliver a policy which commands democratic support. Plenty of jobs in the private sector for those who feel unable to carry out their orders.

My underlining.

Who mentioned the Nazis?

Sigh! Another of the 2019 UKIP-lite intake who really doesn't understand how democracy in the UK works.

Scott Benton is a red wall MP. Representative of part of Blackpool with some areas of high deprivation. Married to his husband, studied theology at university. I would have hoped these two facts at least would have tempered his support for the Rwanda solution. Rwanda is not LGBTQ friendly.

DaisyAnne

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

Ha! Just illustrated the Brexit referendum viewpoint.