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Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

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Esspee Thu 14-Apr-22 00:32:49

Is this Boris’s latest attempt to divert us all from dwelling on the fact that he repeatedly lied to parliament?

Allsorts Fri 15-Apr-22 07:11:56

When asked, people who think we should take everyone in if they opened their homes to them, is usually, I live in a tiny one bedroom flat. Why do they travel through safe countries to come here? That’s what needs changing, they have to realise that paying people smugglers doesn’t work. if you fear for your life you stop where it’s safe, not make that crossing. All that money to the French, what a waste, pass the problem on.

Katie59 Fri 15-Apr-22 07:05:01

Iam64

Katie59

One of the real problems will be allegations that deported migrants have been abused and mistreated in Rwanda, the news hounds will be all over that.

Migrants will deliberately cause problems just to get the news attention.

Of all the unpleasant posts, this one stood out for me.
It seems to me inevitable that asylum seekers will be ‘abused and mistreated in Rwanda. Institutions are rife with abuse. Rwanda doesn’t have a good human rights record
Still, why should we worry? We can simply dismiss any complaints as from folks ‘deliberately causing problems just to get the news attention’

Wether we like it or not the media gets manipulated to suit the cause and it will be in the interests of the migrants to portray Rwanda as evil and cruel. Many/most of the migrants are economic migrants, the are manipulating the asylum system for their own reasons.

Compared with its other countries Rwanda is on a par with China, political opposition is not tolerated, it’s neighbours in Burundi and DRC are very politically unstable, Muslim extremism is active in some areas too. If there was not strong government it would be all to easy to descend into genocide again

No they don’t have the same freedoms we have and the police are likely to be very heavy handed, so I don’t think the Rwanda scheme will last very long.

TopsyIrene06 Fri 15-Apr-22 06:55:24

grannyactivist a heartwarming post that I have just come across. Human kindness in spades and such uplifting sentiments to read in the midst of all this negativity. Thank you for sharing it with us.
I hope your recovery continues.

volver Fri 15-Apr-22 06:55:03

Not sure why the Express pops up on my Facebook page but it’s a bit of an eye opener.

The Express page will pop up more often the more you engage with it. Reading the stories it posts, then even getting as far as reading the comments and so on, the algorithm thinks you are really interested so keeps showing you the Express page. You can always hide it, if you are seeing it too often.

volver Fri 15-Apr-22 06:42:49

There's a lot of fake accounts on Facebook that pretend to be concerned about animal rights and post about it, but it's only a way of drawing people in and exposing them to the far right stuff. Britain First were past masters at it. They exploit anger about veterans rights and grooming gangs too.

growstuff Fri 15-Apr-22 06:26:54

MayBee I've noticed a correlation between racists on social media who claim to support animal rescue charities. I thought I was imagining it. Weird!

vegansrock Fri 15-Apr-22 06:26:36

Another example of this government flinging money at a mess for other people to clean up. If we are so full up/ can’t afford anything/ want to save lives why are we sending these people to a country which is more densely populated than the U.K./ is poorer/ has a terrible human rights record? The hypocrisy and downright racism is appalling. No, - I don’t think we should just open our borders - we should work together with other countries to smash the criminal gangs , set up centres in Europe where people can be properly screened, spend more public money on our woeful public services for all citizens, help genuine refugees into employment, etc etc . I believe this horrible scheme won’t get off the ground - it will appeal to the ukippy type racists amongst us, of which there are unfortunately quite a few. Let’s hope those “lefty” lawyers - you know people with education, humanity and intelligence- challenge it all the way.

MayBee70 Fri 15-Apr-22 01:25:58

Iam64

Katie59

One of the real problems will be allegations that deported migrants have been abused and mistreated in Rwanda, the news hounds will be all over that.

Migrants will deliberately cause problems just to get the news attention.

Of all the unpleasant posts, this one stood out for me.
It seems to me inevitable that asylum seekers will be ‘abused and mistreated in Rwanda. Institutions are rife with abuse. Rwanda doesn’t have a good human rights record
Still, why should we worry? We can simply dismiss any complaints as from folks ‘deliberately causing problems just to get the news attention’

My reaction, too. A horrible comment. Comments on The Express’s Facebook page are pretty awful, too. But strangely enough ( I know, I’m nosey) some of the profiles of people making the nastiest comments are full of animal rescue charities. Not sure why the Express pops up on my Facebook page but it’s a bit of an eye opener.

Zonne Thu 14-Apr-22 23:56:42

Esspee

Is this Boris’s latest attempt to divert us all from dwelling on the fact that he repeatedly lied to parliament?

I think it’s partly that, but even more a dogwhistle to the basest and/or racist of their supporters, to shore up the Tory vote at the local elections.

And it’s evidently working.

paddyann54 Thu 14-Apr-22 23:13:14

Granmarretto The borders are no indicitive of Scotland its a tory enclave ...clearly seen by the Tory MP and MSPs that are few and far between in the rest of the country.I wouldnt think that bigotry apart from the religious kind is rife here and even that is dying out

DaisyAnne Thu 14-Apr-22 22:46:44

growstuff

This is putting on a show for the racists in the UK, timed to coincide with local elections and to distract from everything else.

Indeed and also to take the pressure off Johnson's lawbreaking and Patel's inability to get the Ukraine refugees over here. There really are some wicked people around.

GillT57 Thu 14-Apr-22 22:44:18

Maudi

The Mirror In Meltdown ?

They talk of fury over our plan to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda.

Let me tell you there is very little fury in my Constituency over this great new scheme.

Let me tell you who is furious.

1. The Labour Party
2. The SNP
3. The Lib Dems
4. Mirror readers & the 2 Guardian readers in Ashfield.
5. A few boring ex footballers.
6. Lefty Lawyers.
7. People Smugglers.
8. The French.

That said I have more fantastic news for the above who disagree with the transfers to Rwanda. Its quite simple, the illegal migrants can stay in France just 22 miles away.

There you go ??

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fury-uk-unveils-nasty-plan-26707722

Shared from Facebook
LEE ANDERSON MP

A straight talking MP in my opinion I wish he was my MP.

Where do you live Maudi? I just want to make sure I never visit the bigoted hell hole you describe.

growstuff Thu 14-Apr-22 22:39:59

Maudi

The Mirror In Meltdown ?

They talk of fury over our plan to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda.

Let me tell you there is very little fury in my Constituency over this great new scheme.

Let me tell you who is furious.

1. The Labour Party
2. The SNP
3. The Lib Dems
4. Mirror readers & the 2 Guardian readers in Ashfield.
5. A few boring ex footballers.
6. Lefty Lawyers.
7. People Smugglers.
8. The French.

That said I have more fantastic news for the above who disagree with the transfers to Rwanda. Its quite simple, the illegal migrants can stay in France just 22 miles away.

There you go ??

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fury-uk-unveils-nasty-plan-26707722

Shared from Facebook
LEE ANDERSON MP

A straight talking MP in my opinion I wish he was my MP.

What a thoroughly ghastly excuse for a human being! It's truly sad there are others like him in the UK.

growstuff Thu 14-Apr-22 22:38:56

LilyoftheValley

growstuff I don't think for one minute that every young man who comes the channel route from France is someone who is escaping militant groups at home. Some are - others see an opportunity to come here and deplete our exchequer.

How would you know?

growstuff Thu 14-Apr-22 22:38:36

This is putting on a show for the racists in the UK, timed to coincide with local elections and to distract from everything else.

LilyoftheValley Thu 14-Apr-22 22:36:36

growstuff I don't think for one minute that every young man who comes the channel route from France is someone who is escaping militant groups at home. Some are - others see an opportunity to come here and deplete our exchequer.

GillT57 Thu 14-Apr-22 22:36:01

Grannyactivist, so sorry to hear you have been unwell, and I hope that you are recovering. You are a person who makes this country a better place and some of the other posters on here should hang their heads in shame for what think and have posted.

DaisyAnne Thu 14-Apr-22 22:34:47

I think we can all see what he is. Maudi seems determined to tell us she agrees.

volver Thu 14-Apr-22 22:28:31

Lee Anderson is also in favour of the death penalty.

Sweetheart.

Maudi Thu 14-Apr-22 22:26:03

The Mirror In Meltdown ?

They talk of fury over our plan to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda.

Let me tell you there is very little fury in my Constituency over this great new scheme.

Let me tell you who is furious.

1. The Labour Party
2. The SNP
3. The Lib Dems
4. Mirror readers & the 2 Guardian readers in Ashfield.
5. A few boring ex footballers.
6. Lefty Lawyers.
7. People Smugglers.
8. The French.

That said I have more fantastic news for the above who disagree with the transfers to Rwanda. Its quite simple, the illegal migrants can stay in France just 22 miles away.

There you go ??

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/fury-uk-unveils-nasty-plan-26707722

Shared from Facebook
LEE ANDERSON MP

A straight talking MP in my opinion I wish he was my MP.

DaisyAnne Thu 14-Apr-22 22:18:58

Would there were more who can do what you have done grannyactivist. Now you need the love and care and we all need to move our country to a place where we can stop crying about what is happening.

When my father was a boy, his mother would set another place at the table. She explained that they always did as "sometimes we are visited by angels". (They often fed an extra mouth). You have reminded me very much of the sweet and perceptive person that she was.

volver Thu 14-Apr-22 22:15:27

grannyactivist flowers

Luckygirl3 Thu 14-Apr-22 22:11:19

When I first saw the news of this plan I simply thought it must be a joke - that no sane humane government would ever dream such a thing up. But sadly it seems that it is true.

What sort of a country are we now living in? How can we hold our heads up?

I feel quite despairing about this.

Casdon Thu 14-Apr-22 22:02:50

Thanks for your post grannyactivist. A lot more humanity from some of the other posters is needed.

Coastpath Thu 14-Apr-22 22:01:18

grannyactivist I'm so sorry to hear you've been unwell. I've not seen you posting on here recently and have thought of you and hoped you were well.

The work you have done and the love you have shown for people when they were at an unimaginable low point is an inspiration. Their successes were yours too. I hope your kindness and generosity of spirit is contagious.

I hope too that you are on the up now and feel stronger by the day.