Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

They've been answered several times on this thread alone.

You won’t get the answers here Rosina.

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I have seen comments, posters’ opinions, I haven’t seen answers.

You must have missed them then.

For example, the first one:

The migrants are coming from France. Why? They are safe there, and have also travelled through several 'safe' countries.

Because they speak English and not the other languages.
Because they have family here.
Because it is not required that you claim asylum in the first country you arrive in.
Because they are treated badly by the authorities in some countries.
Because they are desperate.

You might not like the answers, but answers they are.

They don’t all have family here.

They don’t all speak English.

Are some treated badly because they’re misbehaving?

Why are they desperate to get to the UK when they are already in a safe country?

No answers.

Yes, answers. You just don't like them.

They are not answers. They are sweeping statements. Your opinions. It’s interesting that you live so far from where the boats pitch up, the areas where local authorities are struggling with the numbers and having to provide interpreters in overwhelmed schools, yet you claim so much knowledge.

If you are a believer in Christianity I dare say Welby’s comments would indeed have resonance.

Wasn’t the church instrumental in ‘converting’ an asylum seeker in Liverpool who then went on to attempt to blow up the maternity hospital there?
Not sure that was too godly.

I don’t set any store by him. He has an opinion - one amongst many.

Of course m'lud.

Yes, there are no refugees where I live. None at all.

Getting a bit personal I think GSM?

Please just read this. It’s not biased, based on fact.
fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

I’m sure there are refugees in your area volver, but it’s not where the boats are landing is it? Parts of Kent are really struggling with the influx of people, for instance.

Kent has been struggling for DECADES though as there hasn't been enough support from Central government. That is impacted by the fact people are shipped out of London to the poorer areas of Kent (are there any left now?) especially people who have other problems.

Two of my children live in Kent and some of them were born there. My views are in line with volvers.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure there are refugees in your area volver, but it’s not where the boats are landing is it? Parts of Kent are really struggling with the influx of people, for instance.

Do they stay in Kent? I thought they were sent to detention centres.

Is the same Kent which is struggling to find people to harvest fruit?

They are not answers at all. Apart from the few that have family here the rest come to hitch a ride on our established society and/or our benefit system. They are taught how to work the system and it's no good pretending otherwise.

When will you accept that we cannot support everyone in the world who wants to come here. We're a very small country and it's a big world with potentially millions of people wanting to come here over time, because they will just keep coming.....

Just one example of working the system: A woman from Romania near me has two little girls 3 and 5. She can't speak English and doesn't work so has no income. She has been given a really lovely two bedroom ground floor flat with use of a garden. Her children get free education, she gets free healthcare. The father drops by every so often for a weekend stay, so what he does and where he lives who knows.

Casdon

Please just read this. It’s not biased, based on fact.
fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

Seems to me that this proves that the smuggling needs to end and that is the purpose of the Rwanda plan.

Aveline

I suppose the Australian model did work in that the 'boat people' stopped trying to enter via those means. Is that not what the proposed new UK model aims for? Interesting that other countries are trying it too.

Aveline, Australia is a long way from anywhere else, we are not. Perhaps your comparison lacks a little insight into the differences in the countries compared.

Germanshepherdsmum

Casdon

Please just read this. It’s not biased, based on fact.
fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

Seems to me that this proves that the smuggling needs to end and that is the purpose of the Rwanda plan.

Have you got your glasses on?

Germanshepherdsmum

They don’t all have family here.

They don’t all speak English.

Are some treated badly because they’re misbehaving?

Why are they desperate to get to the UK when they are already in a safe country?

No answers.

Answer ... many more people seek asylum in France and Germany than in the UK.

Where does your idea that they can't apply for asylum in the UK if they're in a "safe" country come from? It's not international law.

Maybe you could answer whether some are treated badly because they're misbehaving.

Germanshepherdsmum

Casdon

Please just read this. It’s not biased, based on fact.
fullfact.org/immigration/why-do-migrants-and-asylum-seekers-want-come-uk/

Seems to me that this proves that the smuggling needs to end and that is the purpose of the Rwanda plan.

How do you work that one out?

Have you changed your mind about the UK being a soft touch as a motivating factor?

Just one example of working the system: A woman from Romania near me has two little girls 3 and 5. She can't speak English and doesn't work so has no income. She has been given a really lovely two bedroom ground floor flat with use of a garden. Her children get free education, she gets free healthcare. The father drops by every so often for a weekend stay, so what he does and where he lives who knows.

Perhaps he's in the Army and is defending our country?

Perhaps he works offshore?

Perhaps he is a fruit picker and lives in a caravan during the week and only manages to see his children on the odd weekend?

Romanian people came here legally to work under EU rules. It isn't the woman's fault her husband/partner left her and I can't begin to imagine how difficult that would be in a foreign country.

Local colleges have free courses for those learning English as a second by the way. As do the Polish clubs etc - if we are now talking about Europeans

Apart from the few that have family here the rest come to hitch a ride on our established society and/or our benefit system. They are taught how to work the system and it's no good pretending otherwise.

It's not "pretending". The evidence shows that they're not choosing to come to the UK - and certainly not for our benefit system.

Chestnut

They are not answers at all. Apart from the few that have family here the rest come to hitch a ride on our established society and/or our benefit system. They are taught how to work the system and it's no good pretending otherwise.

When will you accept that we cannot support everyone in the world who wants to come here. We're a very small country and it's a big world with potentially millions of people wanting to come here over time, because they will just keep coming.....

Just one example of working the system: A woman from Romania near me has two little girls 3 and 5. She can't speak English and doesn't work so has no income. She has been given a really lovely two bedroom ground floor flat with use of a garden. Her children get free education, she gets free healthcare. The father drops by every so often for a weekend stay, so what he does and where he lives who knows.

No, we're a very rich country compared with most others. We're less densely populated and much richer than Rwanda.

There are millions of displaced people in the world. As a country with an aspiration to be respected as "Great", we should be playing a leading role in finding solutions - not offloading our problems to a developing country.

Casdon - your link emphasises the influence of the smugglers on country of destination.
Growstuff - I have never said that the law requires asylum to be sought in the first safe country. That fewer asylum seekers or economic migrants come to the UK than France or Germany is totally irrelevant. I assume you didn’t see pictures of riot police dealing with people in the Calais camps because they were causing trouble and stealing? People were only there because they were waiting to get to the UK in the back of a lorry or on a boat -not via lawful channels - rather than seeking asylum in France or a previous safe country.

DaisyAnne my comment is nothing to do with comparing countries. It was regarding the measurable result of the efficacy of this method. It stopped boat people arriving. That's what this Rwanda scheme is for.
It seems extreme to me.