Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Horrible echoes of the third Reich.
I want to say I also wonder if we are EVER told the truth.
I met a woman at a bus stop in my small, totally white, Scottish Border town. She told me our country was being invaded by illegal immigrants and there was no space left for us.
I asked her if she knew or had met any. She didn't answer.

Sparklefizz

^There are masses of empty housing in UK in every council area^

Where?

Where indeed?
Certainly not near us. Certainly not where my DD lives and how do you access it when there are masses of empty houses?

No problem if they are genuine asylum seekers they will be allowed to stay in the UK if they are not genuine I don't particularly care what happens to them. I just hope that word will get around that the UK is now not a soft touch and you can't bypass the system and pay money to a smuggler gang to get here.

Urmstongran

So asylum applications will be processed offshore. What are all the Guardianistas here getting so worked up about? The EU’s criticism is we have too many "pull factors". Now we may reduce those and save people from drowning. What's your problem?

www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/15/australia-8-years-abusive-offshore-asylum-processing

Sorry, more toxic wokeflakes.

Perhaps every country needs to do this.

Poland, they have about 4 million asylum seekers I believe. Or France or Germany, Greece have plenty or Turkey.

We could double the population of Rwanda overnight.

The principle is absolutely no different.

Why stop at young men? Seems sexist thing to do doesn’t it? Whole families could be shipped out.

That seems a much better idea.

Remember the Hutu and Tutsi genocide.

They couldn’t have chosen a worse country if they tried.

The Nazi’ s tried the same thing with the Jews - they tried to ship them to another African country.

This is the policy of fascism.

Some of you are incredibly ignorant and unfeeling about other human beings.

£120 million to Rwanda - why not spend this money on speedy processing to distinguish genuine refugees from economic migrants? That is not to say that I do not have sympathy with economic migrants - who can blame people for wanting to better their standard of living/education?

It is getting seriously embarrassing to be British.

I’m upset about this too. I know that as the weather improves more migrants will cross the channel and the situation will become so very serious. Many people have criticised the government, rightly so, for not trying to deal with it. I sincerely hope that those critics aren’t happy with this “solution”. I wish someone could come up with a fair, humane and acceptable idea. Criticism is such a waste of time.

If anyone feels very strongly then house a family, although it may be cramped it's better than turning them away and you will genuinely be able to say, I feel bad about what's happening and this is my contribution

It's not that easy. My neighbour told me yesterday that they put their names down to welcome refugees from Ukraine to their home but are getting nowhere with the process.

I'm all for genuine refugees like the ones from the Ukraine I welcome them with open arms, mostly women and children and older people, their young men are staying to fight and protect their country, I salute them. My issue is with the fit young men who have tried to jump the queue by paying a people smuggling gang to come here, they are not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants trying to beat the system. I hope this scheme if it actually takes off will finally stop the smuggler gangs when people see their is no point on risking your life crossing the Channel on a dingy. A vote winner for Boris I think.

Remember the Hutu and Tutsi genocide.
Yes

They couldn’t have chosen a worse country if they tried
It's just astonishing.
What are they thinking of? Whose idea was it?

Masses of empty council housing??? Seriously? Then how come it's a ten year waiting list where I live? You cannot get a GP appointment for love nor money and someone I know has just got an appointment for a consultant, two years away. I feel very sorry for genuine refugees, the Afghan people who helped us and who we owe and of course we need to help Ukrainian people. How we do all this is another story. I really do not know what the answer is as the world and UK is in one awful state.

I'm a bit confused about people not wanting economic migrants in the country. You know there is a list of jobs that have shortages that allow people to have fast track work visas to enter the country? It includes things like working for the NHS and social work jobs. What do you think would happen if these people did not apply for visas to do these jobs?

Maudi

I'm all for genuine refugees like the ones from the Ukraine I welcome them with open arms, mostly women and children and older people, their young men are staying to fight and protect their country, I salute them. My issue is with the fit young men who have tried to jump the queue by paying a people smuggling gang to come here, they are not genuine asylum seekers but economic migrants trying to beat the system. I hope this scheme if it actually takes off will finally stop the smuggler gangs when people see their is no point on risking your life crossing the Channel on a dingy. A vote winner for Boris I think.

So you are willing to follow a fascist policy by inflicting dreadful trauma and god knows what else on innocent victims in order to get at the smugglers?

They are not innocent victims no one is forcing these economic migrants to pay money to a people smuggling gang to cross the Channel on a dinghy its their choice.

theconversation.com/outsourcing-asylum-seekers-the-case-of-rwanda-and-the-uk-180973

Hwever, I still don't understand why Rwanda

Maudi

They are not innocent victims no one is forcing these economic migrants to pay money to a people smuggling gang to cross the Channel on a dinghy its their choice.

Are you willing to support a fascist policy?

Mahdi, where is the evidence to support your post or the statement ‘they are not innocent victims’

A proportion of these young men will be ‘economic migrants’. Many will be the person chosen by their family to make the perilous journey from some war torn country, with the aim of getting asylum and applying for family to join them.

What happened to humanity

I think the Rwanda idea is wrong.

I don’t claim any expertise for any of these questions.
Perhaps some GN expertise could be sent to whichever government is in power to help them answer these questions.
Fill in the answers and I’ll guarantee to send it to all major political parties.

If it’s so easy to stop illegal immigrants, why hasn’t it been done?

Process them more quickly -good idea.

Where should it happen?

Why does this not happen?


Where do the processed people go?

What happens to them? (Apart from those I’ve seen walking up and down?)

What happens to those classified as illegal immigrants now?

How do we identify them?

How do we deport them? If they don’t have a passport, where do we send them?

How do we stop the traffickers? They aren’t going to give up their source of income politely, so what do we do?

The government haven’t got it right. Agreed!
No other party has come up with viable suggestions so unless they’re saving their ideas till they get into power, which is immoral, it’s likely that they haven’t got anything better.
Now might be a good time for GN to help.

My issue is with the fit young men who have tried to jump the queue

We desperately need workers here in the UK. If we processed people here faster and fairly then we would be able to add to our workforce and all these new, young, fit people could be adding to our economy, working in our social care system and hospitals, qualifying as teachers, picking our veg and fruit and perhaps be joining our armed services.

This is one of the most unkind things I have seen any government do in my lifetime. It looks like a dead cat.

We do have a lot of job vacancies so yes, people should be processed more quickly.

One thing about economic migrants is that they will be keen to work. Some may have qualifications from their home countries but I know for a fact that it's not so easy for someone from another country to just walk into a job in the NHS (they may need additional qualifications and language skills) and that's right in some cases.
However, just because someone has good qualifications doesn't mean they won't be willing to take on lower paid jobs in the meantime if given the chance.

I’m in full agreement with Urms and Maudi. There’s a huge difference between refugees and economic migrants and a great many of the young men arriving here via the Channel (*6000 yesterday*) are the latter with no family in the UK. If they have no trade or profession and don’t speak English how are they going to fill the jobs spoken of upthread? In my nearest city we have gangs of them, chucked out of the hostel for the day, intimidating people and shoplifting. Are those the actions of people who would be an asset to our society?
I hope this policy goes ahead and vastly reduces the influx of economic migrants as word gets back that they will be sent to Rwanda. It’s not a fascist policy. These people are not UK citizens, do not have permission to be here and are not being sent to the gas chambers. Let’s concentrate on genuine refugees, not economic migrants seeking benefits.

The lack of humanity shown by a few on this thread is breathtaking in its callousness.