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Oh Nicola! We’re not as green as we’re cabbage looking! ???????

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Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 19:32:23


Nicola Sturgeon has denied her government staged a cover-up over its decision to hand a scandal-hit ferries contract to a shipyard owned by an independence supporter after it admitted key documents “cannot be located”.

The First Minister said it was “regrettable” that there was no paper trail showing why her administration had handed the contract to Ferguson Marine after ferry chiefs warned the award was too risky and asked for it to be withdrawn.

She argued that her government had provided lots of other information but “this particular piece of written evidence” was not available.

But the Tories said it was “inconceivable” that there was nothing in the Scottish Government's records to show why SNP ministers pressed ahead without a full refund guarantee, a standard clause in shipbuilding contracts.

The ferries’ cost has since spiralled from £97 million to £250 million and their construction is running five years late.“

Well, well. ??

Oh c’mom! Only a complete pilchard would swallow that one.

The Scots love her despite the ferry scandal, hopeless health service, failing education, and the drugs explosion.

Bye bye Scotland.

MORE missing paperwork, really? Time after time. She must think we haven’t seen the first fall of snow.

Maudi Sat 23-Apr-22 08:10:52

Shifty Sturgeon and her SNP crew need investigating in my opinion, where's the £600,000 gone and now this shambles with the lost paperwork (lost or got rid of? Your guess is as good as mine)

Marydoll Sat 23-Apr-22 08:08:09

Aveline, the individual case you are talking about, does not prove that everyone in Scotland is struggling to receive health care and I believe, the after care on the NHS for that particular private patient was excellent. However, although she posted publicly about her struggles on GN, and it was partly funded by grans, I think it is inappropriate to discuss another Gransnetter on this thread, especially as there were other factors involved.

Are you currently working in critical care and have first hand experience? I would be interested to hear your experiences.

Although the NHS was under pressure, before the pandemic, it is struggling even more due to the pandemic, in all parts of the UK. Is that solely Nicola and the SNP's fault?
So many complicated factors impact on performance,

I demonstrated examples of the excellent, critical care I have had, it doesn't mean everything is a bed of roses, it certainly isn't. My point was that all, is not as desperate as Urms has made out. There are positives too. It is so easy to blame everything on the SNP.

I forgot to mention, I had another heart attack, during the night, right at the heart of the pandemic. I was being treated jn hospital, within an hour of calling for an ambulance. Perhaps I have the gods on my side.
My heart went out to the outstanding staff, looking after me in the middle of trying to treat desperately ill patients, with staff shortages, due to Covid. I am a cat with nine lives and still here due to the Scottish NHS.

PS, thank you for the free prescriptions, NHs dental treatment and free eye tests, paid for by Scottish taxes. I would be bankrupt by now, if I had to pay for them all.

volver Sat 23-Apr-22 07:37:28

I suppose the thing that most annoys me is this.

Folk that think we want independence because the SNP have told us we want it. Folk that think we're so stupid that we only want independence because of Nicola. Folk that think Nicola is pulling the UK apart single handedly.

A desire for independence goes far beyond who is actually in government. The SNP are the best at articulating the desire for people who want independence, but I can think of at least 3 other parties who also support independence. If Labour and the Lib Dems would acknowledge that Independence was a valid option, they'd do a lot better. Not the Tories of course, because in Scotland they are the Conservative and Unionist Party. I don't expect them to support independence, but I do wonder what will happen if we get it. Self combustion, probably.

It does make me laugh that a party created to support the union, gets all frothy at the mouth when a party created to oppose the union say they oppose the union ?.

Anyway, if the SNP were proved to impale babies on sticks, it wouldn't make any difference to whether Scotland should have independence or not. Those of us who want it would still want it.

And those in other countries who want to use our current government to belittle our country can go right ahead. Says more about you than us and demonstrates your dearth of political understanding. Those who live in Scotland but think they are better than the rest of us and know what's good for us? Well, I won't say what I think.

Aveline Sat 23-Apr-22 06:18:16

I am glad that you Marydoll received good support from your local medical services. That is most certainly not a common experience here. Another Scottish Gran recently had to have an operation privately funded by many of us in here as, otherwise, she faced a desperately long wait for this vital operation. Having worked in NHS I can speak for our nursing and medical shortages which can be traced back to decisions made by current SNP government to restrict student nurse numbers and offer strictly limited 'free' student places to potential medical student. Once the quota of 'free' places is met it's hard lines for bright students who are too late.

Lucca Sat 23-Apr-22 06:14:02

vegansrock

Better together eh? Maybe that’s why Scotland voted to stay in the EU?

Indeed !

vegansrock Sat 23-Apr-22 05:32:02

Better together eh? Maybe that’s why Scotland voted to stay in the EU?

Lucca Fri 22-Apr-22 22:39:03

Marydoll ????? your post,

Marydoll Fri 22-Apr-22 22:31:40

As for hopeless health service, Urms, what experience do you have of the NHS in Scotland?
I have nothing but praise for the way I have been supported over the last two years, as someone with multiple health issues, who is CEV.

I tested positive for Covid, last Wednesday afternoon. One hour after reporting it, I received a call from a clinician, a another hour later, I received a call from a hospital pharmacist to discuss the most appropriate anti viral treatment for me.
The following morning at 9am, I was in hospital receiving treatment. From start to finish, the whole process took eighteen hours.
However, I have read posts from some English Gransnetters, saying how difficult is has been to access anti-virals.

Furthermore, my GP has been in contact daily to make sure that I am OK. I need treatment for a side effect and my husband came back with the medication, less than an hour after I phoned my GP.

Last Tuesday, despite there being a worldwide shortage of a medication I am on, due to it being used as a treatment for critically ill Covid patients in ICU, I received eight weeks supply of injections, delivered to my home, which cost £2000.

This morning I received a letter from the Chief Medical Officer, offering me continued access to free LFTs and free PCR testing.

I am not an SNP supporter, but I am indeed very grateful to Nicola S and all those who are responsible for my healthcare.

volver Fri 22-Apr-22 22:30:15

Telling us that Scots are being conned into independence and deserve to suffer for it is just disgusting, and quite unforgiveable.

Aveline Fri 22-Apr-22 22:22:54

We are free to choose and the majority is still for the union. Westminster governments may come and go. If enough Scots can be conned into voting for independence they deserve the desperate years that their choice will condemn them to. Luckily, it seems like enough of us have noticed the appallingly inept job the SNP have made of government over the past 15 years to choose to vote for the union.

Coastpath Fri 22-Apr-22 22:19:11

Urmstongran posting "In my opinion we ARE better together" and bemoaning the lack of small boats has just tilted the world off its axis.

Casdon Fri 22-Apr-22 22:13:30

The voters of Scotland will decide what they want though Urmstongran, they are not less informed about what’s happening in Scotland or the impact of independence than the rest of the UK is, they are in the thick of what’s happening and they are free to choose.

Marydoll Fri 22-Apr-22 22:12:56

I agree that the ferries are indeed a cause for concern. It's worse than a shambles.

However, Urms, your post is a teenie, wee bit misleading. There is one boat, but that doesn't mean just one crossing.

MV Caledonian Isles has been withdrawn from service and moved to Troon to undergo essential works to the Port Main Engine. Investigations and repairs are in progress and the estimated return to service date is Tuesday 3rd May, at the earliest.

As a result, MV Isle of Arran will continue to operate the below sailings on this route:

Monday - Thursday

Depart Ardrossan - 07:00, 09:45, 12:30, 15:20 & 18:00
Depart Brodick - 08:20, 11:05, 13:55, 16:40 & 19:20

Friday

Depart Ardrossan - 07:00, 09:45, 12:30, 15:20, 18:00 & 20:30
Depart Brodick - 08:20, 11:05, 13:55, 16:40, 19:20 & 21:40

PS, I knew that was your thread, without even looking to see who had started it. wink

Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 22:03:50

It’s because I’m annoyed with Sturgeon's mishandling of Scottish affairs. I hate that Scotland via the SNP will sleepwalk into a split from the UK if they don’t challenge her! She’s not doing a grand job of things is she? Yes I don’t live up there but I don’t want Scotland to leave the Union. In my opinion we ARE better together.

How are those ferries to Arran, Nicola?

I hear the main one has been cancelled tomorrow and it's a free for all first come first served ... for a titchy boat, the only boat that day.

So much for SNP led development...

Casdon Fri 22-Apr-22 21:44:01

Urmstongran

Nope. Nothing to do with deflection from Boris & his woes Casdon. I’ve moved on from him. I’m grateful he Got Brexit Done but if he’s out on his ear, so be it.

Come the GE I’ll have to think hard.
See what my options are.

But on to Nicola ... “ it Wasnae Me..and anyway, it it was, I forgot..".

You won’t have to think at all about the way people vote in Scotland though Urmstongran because you don’t live there so you won’t be voting.
So what is this thread if not an attempt to distract from Boris’ misdemeanours?

Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 21:37:36

Nope. Nothing to do with deflection from Boris & his woes Casdon. I’ve moved on from him. I’m grateful he Got Brexit Done but if he’s out on his ear, so be it.

Come the GE I’ll have to think hard.
See what my options are.

But on to Nicola ... “ it Wasnae Me..and anyway, it it was, I forgot..".

Casdon Fri 22-Apr-22 21:27:54

Wheniwasyourage

I can't understand how people who are not affected by anything that Nicola Sturgeon does are so upset by her. We in Scotland pay our taxes (and the richer among us pay more while the poorer pay less) and make our own decisions on how to spend them. Our free prescriptions and all the rest do not have any effect on those of you in other parts of the UK.

It’s an attempt at a distraction technique by occupants of Cloud Cuckooland, the nirvana of Tory voters for whom Partygate is but a tiny cloud fading into the horizon.

Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 21:26:17

I’m not keen on her because she and the SNP are a one trick pony. Independence at all costs and she’s pretty dire at much else. I want the Union to withstand this onslaught and I don’t believe she’s as popular as is made out?

If only those who await new ferries, a new road on the Rest and be Thankful , care about the missing £600,00 etc got their voting finger out and get rid!

Wheniwasyourage Fri 22-Apr-22 21:21:02

I can't understand how people who are not affected by anything that Nicola Sturgeon does are so upset by her. We in Scotland pay our taxes (and the richer among us pay more while the poorer pay less) and make our own decisions on how to spend them. Our free prescriptions and all the rest do not have any effect on those of you in other parts of the UK.

Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 21:14:57

Those agin her are less vociferous grannydarkhair aren’t they? I don’t know why. Do you?

Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 21:12:59

The “papers” are probably with that missing £600,000……

How on earth do SNP supporters have the hypocrisy to criticise Boris with this apparent corruption?

Perhaps if Nicola wasn’t so keen to get on TV all the time - an example being doing every Covid briefing herself and also stirring up independence every 5 minutes she’d have been able to concentrate on doing her job and ‘finding’ those papers.

grannydarkhair Fri 22-Apr-22 21:10:10

“The Scots love her” - trust me, there’s a lot of us who love neither NS herself nor the SNP. The two failed Independence Referendums prove that. Like the rest of the UK, apathy is the biggest problem when it comes to elections, both local and general.

Urmstongran Fri 22-Apr-22 20:47:08

Quite probably tickingbird I don’t know how she gets away with it to be honest.

tickingbird Fri 22-Apr-22 20:38:28

Probably similar to her bad memory when giving ‘evidence’ in court.

volver Fri 22-Apr-22 20:37:51

Bye bye Scotland.

You gonna blow us up?

Fill your boots. I canna be ar**ed

There was no suggestion from the auditor general that information had been withheld from Audit Scotland.